Your Expectations

I’m sure this is a common topic, but wanted to get opinions on it anyway.

I was having a discussion with two of my girlfriends the other day. Both are well educated and in their twenties. We were having a discussion on what family and society expects of us. One of my girlfriends mentioned that its only important that we get a good education and come from good and honest families and that we are raised with good manners and values. We all agreed that is important. Neither one of us are where we want to be career wise, or even otherwise. For example, I want to be in shape, I want a stable career, I want to be a better muslim, etc. The same can be said for my friends.

An interesting point brought up was material gain and how members of society often judge you based on your material gains. Despite the fact that my friends felt they were brought up with good values and had a good education, and felt these are the most important things in life, they still felt inadequate due to the fact that they didn’t have the other material gains that sometimes family and society wants one to have in order to be “complete”. I found it to be very ironic. That on the one hand they knew one thing is the most important thing, and on the other they have this desire to be materially rich in order to feel good enough about themselves.

How many of us fall into this? That we simply haven’t accomplished much in life unless we have a nice big house with 3 children and a Mercedes parked outside. How many of us say this isnt the case with us but if we look at our actions, it really is the case with us? I just had this feeling that my friends were beating themselves up over this. The interesting thing is that my friends seem content with their lives, but the minute they start talking about what their family expects of them, you can just see the discontent rising. Its almost like they are trying to convince themselves and others that life is just how they would like it to be, but somehow because others don’t consider it to be enough, it really means that life can be a lot better. It’s almost like they are not allowing themselves to experience true happiness, because they have made other peoples expectations a part of their own. No doubt that we do this to some degree, but too much isnt healthy. I guess that’s why some of the girls I know are struggling through medical school eventhough they don’t want to be there. I am wondering if they feel inadequate unless they complete their degrees.

Since when have we come to a point where degrees, cars, houses, clothes are the qualities to look for in a person? Why do we believe this to be the ultimate success? Sometimes its so implicit that people don’t even realize they think this way. It’s so hidden. But you can tell when you mix in different circles. I remember an incident in uni when one of my friends introduced me to some of her acquaintances. These acquaintances came from well-to-do families. I asked her why she isn’t hanging around with them, and she said something like, “they belong to the richer/well-known families in this city and don’t include me in their group.” They made her feel inadequate basically, though she said it was probably unintentional by them.

I’ve heard it time and again from people, that material things are not what matter in life, but I’ve also seen that the actions from the same people who say that, often state otherwise.

Are we all a prisoner to this thinking? Do you say one thing but follow another course? Will you really be content when you are 80 and you live in a small house with 4 children, where both parents had to work? Or will you feel you could have done better? That if only you had a third bedroom, in a slightly better neighborhood, then you would have really achieved something? At what point do we stop and say that we have enough to be content?

Thanks. smile

munmun, not sure what the ultimate thesis is of your post but I think I know the problem. The problem is, that a lot of people confuse humility with killing one’s ambition. The desi culture by it’svery nature doesn;t allow for individual growth.

What you don;t live with your parents? :eek: I would rather live in a 3 bedroom ranch, than live in two different houses…it is such a waste of money…show offs. :eek:

^ th eabove is the kind of stupidity that prevails in the desi comunity.

I think the main thing is that we should be good, honest people from the bottom of our hearts, but saying that, other things do come into it, such as material things and education.

Education is very important these days because it expected to be well educated these days even though it is not important to me, it is to my family, so I am studying for my family and for society, not beacuse I want to, I really hate what I am studying.

With material possesions such as houses and cars,no matter how much you have it is never enough, you will always want something more or better. And the reason for this is society, we may be content with what we have until we see someone that has more or something better and then we also start to want that.

But really at the end of the day, none of this counts for anything in our next life, which is the reason we have been sent into this world. Allah isnt going to ask us what level we were educated to and how much we earn, this is stuff that we need to survive in this world, it will not help our next life.

Thats typical pakistani behaviour.. Matsui is right..
But also human nature is created that way, wanting more n more..and never satisfied..

With pakies iv'e noticed theyre easily impressed by material things...
Most desis live for others, before taking a decision they would first think what others will say.. In a way we have made small gods out of people....

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Thats typical pakistani behaviour.. Matsui is right..
But also human nature is created that way, wanting more n more..and never satisfied..

With pakies iv'e noticed theyre easily impressed by material things...
Most desis live for others, before taking a decision they would first think what others will say.. In a way we have made small gods out of people....
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I think the part I dont understand is why do people say that if you have those things (morals, etc) then you are set, if this isnt the case? Why not admit to yourself that thats not the only thing thats important to you? Wouldnt it be easier to live with yourself that way?

Munni if theyre not true to themselves, then they won't be true to anyone..
Some people say what they mean, and some just say things they dont mean.. so maybe they(the friends u were talking to) just say things but dont mean it..