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every dictator has the delusion that system won't work without them, seems like Musharraf is going through the same delusion as zia and ayub did in the past. If he expects help and support from opportunistic lotas he is fooling himself
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Benazir or Nawaz would both have learned their lessons by now. And if the people of Pakistan vote for either of them, then who are we to say they shouldnt be the PM? Whatever they are, they are still better than the military dictator and his gang of lotas and thieves we have looting the country.
If the people of Pak vote for BB or NS again, it shows they are idiots and that nation is a lost cause. Of the 2, I'd prefer BB, she panders to the Islamists less and wont try to force a criminal legal code called Sharia on the people.
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If the people of Pak vote for BB or NS again, it shows they are idiots and that nation is a lost cause. Of the 2, I'd prefer BB, she panders to the Islamists less and wont try to force a criminal legal code called Sharia on the people.
Right...and who cares if she steals billions from of the national exchequer and surrenders strategic parts of the country to India and shuts down the nuclear program...
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Sad, very sad. Those rejoicing Musharrafs sad state of affairs are simply expressing their narrow minded bigotry.
Musharraf's biggest mistake was believing the Chaudhries, these thaalee ke baigan have no loyalty to anyone but themselves. Serves Mush right to make his bed with the Chaudhries.
It maybe too late for Musharraf but that will not make things easier for the Taliban party, they still will get their backside whipped by the next saviour, as for the NS & BB's well they have always depended upon the Amerikee help rather than the People of Pakistan therefore they will still keep rolling around hoping to find Uncle Sams blessing.
Probably this was the best thing to happen for Musharraf, a real eye opener. Maybe this time he can discover the real meaning of democratic values that relies on those who believe in their people and not their money, religion or old alliances.
Yup. Here is how I have always looked at leaders. No matter how good the leader is, his qualities are of no use unless those who surround him are equally on par (Musharrafs first term). Infact a competant leader surrounded by a horde of idiots looks more incompetant than an incompetant leaders surrounded by the same horde of idiots (his present situation, the moment he restored the parliament and had to form alliances to form a coalition government things went downhill because the same people got back in and as long as political parties have no internal democratic process this problem ain't going no where. We will see many repeat episodes in the years to come if the pattern persists, sometimes with civilian leaders and sometimes with military leaders).
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I do wonder if he declare martial law now. Can he do that?
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I, for one, will be happy to see him go. In fact, I hope he is the first dictator to face justice in Pakistani courts.
By Sadaqat Jan
ASSOCIATED PRESS
8:08 a.m. June 7, 2007
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Thousands of lawyers, journalists and opposition activists staged a sit-in protest in the Pakistani city of Lahore, demanding President Gen. Pervez Musharraf resign for suspending a popular Supreme Court judge and enacting restrictions on the media.
Some of the 7,000 people gathered in front of the provincial assembly in Lahore shouted “Go, Musharraf, go!” while others taped their mouths shut to protest alleged government censorship.
The protest was the latest in a series of demonstrations in recent weeks against Musharraf, who critics say has become increasingly authoritarian as he seeks to extend his nearly eight years in power with a new five-year presidential term this fall.
The media have also been under pressure by the government since March, when Musharraf suspended Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry for alleged misconduct, triggering nationwide protests by lawyers and opposition parties.
Chaudhry has challenged his suspension before the Supreme Court, and private news channels have broadcast his rallies, showing tens of thousands of people chanting slogans against Musharraf.
Critics claim Musharraf has tried to sideline the independent-minded judge in case of any legal challenges to his bid to for a new presidential term. The government has denied any political motive, with Musharraf saying he has evidence that Chaudhry abused his office.
The president’s office had said Musharraf would make a televised address to the nation late Thursday, but arrangements for the taping were later canceled without explanation.
Earlier in the day, three powerful officials filed affidavits in the Supreme Court denying that Chaudhry was held against his will at Musharraf’s army residence near the capital of Islamabad for several hours in March when he was ousted from his post.
Military Intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Mian Nadeem Ijaz Ahmad also claimed that Chaudhry had regularly sought information from the spy agency about fellow judges for his own “database.”
The other two affidavits were submitted by the chief of the civilian Intelligence Bureau and Musharraf’s chief of staff. They are part of the government case against a petition from Chaudhry challenging the legality of his suspension.
Authorities have warned the media, especially private television channels, to temper their coverage of the judicial crisis and avoid slights of the military or the judiciary. Musharraf passed an order this week giving a media regulator the power to seize equipment and seal the premises of offending broadcasters or distributors.
The order prompted a series of media protests, including one Thursday by about 100 reporters who chanted “We want freedom!” in front of the federal parliament.
Anwar Mahmood, a senior official at the Ministry of Information, said Thursday that the order had been suspended to allow talks between officials and media representatives. The European Union said in a statement that it welcomed the move, expressing concern that Pakistani media freedoms had suffered “setbacks.”
**Meanwhile, exiled former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, whose elected government was overthrown by Musharraf in 1999, blasted the president in an interview with National Public Radio on Thursday, saying he has become an autocratic ruler.
“I think Mr. Musharraf is not in the habit of taking the people of Pakistan into confidence. He acts just by himself, all alone,” Sharif said, adding he had made a “mistake” by appointing Musharraf as army chief the year before the coup.**
Sharif and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto have both vowed to return to Pakistan from their respective exiles ahead of elections due by the end of the year. Sharif has been living in Saudi Arabia and London, and Bhutto divides her time between London and the United Arab Emirates.
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Ultimately, Musharaf is a general and not a politician... He has surrounded himself with weasely toady yes-men.
Reminds me of the emperors new clothes. Musharaf could sit in his office naked, pretending to be wearing suite and these people would start complimenting him on his sense of style!
Still, for someone whos been a strong supporter of Musharaf, this is truly sad...
I hope Musharaf saves himself the further disgrace and bow out while the goings good... I honestly hope the best for him, but not as the president or Chief of Staff...
Time for him to retire with honor! He doesnt seem to be ready for that.
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only Indians love Musharaf because he is also a indian
Musharaf is that person who love to be photographed infront of taj mehal
but don’t like to give even pure water to pakistanies
thats why every Pakistani hate him
every one who love Pakistan , hate Musharaf
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*If the people of Pak vote for BB or NS again, it shows they are idiots *
Every person is capable of reason, this is a fundamental principle of democracy, and democracy doesn't thrive in those countries where people don't agree with this principle.
The people in Pak are not idiot, I find them more pragmatic than their rulers. It is not the people's fault if BB or NS or other leaders or army generals indulge in corruption or jobbery or in other crimes, people's job is to decide which party is going to rule the country for the next four or five years and they decide it very well through their votes. If political leaders commit crimes then it is judiciary's job to take legal action against them for their crimes, but unfortunately the judiciary has never been so independent and strong in Pakistan that it could prosecute and punish them for their crimes.
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Perhaps you should have had the guts to put on a uniform and man a post as he has done throughout his life then, if you think he does not love Pakistan or his fellow Pakistanis.
I can agree with someone if they accuse him of some wrongdoing however to say that he does not love Pakistanis or Pakistan reflects how low people would go to oppose him. A person who has defended his country time and time again and not only in the military arena now is being questioned about his loyalty and sincerity to his homeland. This is not indicative of the thirst for justice but rather power hunger or revenge or fame.
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Perhaps you should have had the guts to put on a uniform and man a post as he has done throughout his life then, if you think he does not love Pakistan or his fellow Pakistanis.
I can agree with someone if they accuse him of some wrongdoing however to say that he does not love Pakistanis or Pakistan reflects how low people would go to oppose him. A person who has defended his country time and time again and not only in the military arena now is being questioned about his loyalty and sincerity to his homeland. This is not indicative of the thirst for justice but rather power hunger or revenge or fame.
yaar don't try to be angry
just see
no food and water for comman man in Pakistan
daily increment in food prices
Although Ayoub and Zia were aslo dictator but they had controlled the prices
food prices had never shooted like these days
the problem for comman man , is daily food
when you take that from them , it means you don't love them and thats mean you don't love Pakistan
their is no electricity in Pakistan , tell me is there load shedding in President house
when some one hates Pakistani people and giving them trouble , that clearly shows that person don't love Pakistan
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Perhaps you should have had the guts to put on a uniform and man a post as he has done throughout his life then, if you think he does not love Pakistan or his fellow Pakistanis.
And how is this different from what Armies in every single country in the world do?
And does this give the hundreds of thousands of Pak Army who have done so the right to loot the country?
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Exactly! :k:
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although its just ur word against mine but i wonder if we can quantify..what does he love more..Pakistan or his grip on more..come what may (including may 12) ?
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Good point flame…but watch the excuses and justification come!!!
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dont know man..a lot of the times my posts go unanswered.
edit: thats not a judgment on anyone :D
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Loves his country? Stand a post? What post was that, Kargil ? Dont think he stood a post on that one, maybe from his drawing room while brave soliders died at the front lines and he himself hid in GHQ unwilling to take responsibility for a foolish operation.
As for loving his country - maybe in 1999 if this argument would have been put forward, one could accept it - hey Musharaff loves his country so he overthrew the PM but as he has 'promised' he will hold elections within 90 days and disappear from the political arena.
That didnt happen either...no elections on time, no fulfilling any promises - instead we had fake referendums, packing of the President, getting himself 'elected' President, holding sham elections, signing 'deals' with 'corrupt' politicians, violating the consititution, etc etc etc - the list goes on and on.
So, no - Musharaff does not love his country - he loves what he can suck out of his country and its bank accounts. Thats all.
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Yaar not angry, its just that I see justice in this case is on all tangents but the right one.
I can’t recall any government which has been able to control this state of common man in Pakistan in the last few decades.
Water shortages are not to blame on Musharraf but the politics beteween provinces I would say. If we could grow out of the perspective that all provinces are part of Pakistan then maybe reservoirs and dams would have been built long ago and abated some of our water shortages today.
Food inflation. I agree that it has never been like this before. But explain to me how is Musharraf solely responsible for this.
Loadshedding is no new thing. If Pakistan does not have enough resources to generate the electricity it needs then what do you expect. Musharraf cannot shoot bolts of lighting out of his ar** to provide electricity can he (Sorry for the pun). If the people do not want to see an infrastructure built to accomodate their needs then who is really to blame.
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You are right, except that Mush has had eight years of absolute power to make things better…and they have gotten worse, crime, electricity, corruption, all up.
That is why he has become so unpopular, because people see he is even worse than those he took over from
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And how is this different from what Armies in every single country in the world do?
And does this give the hundreds of thousands of Pak Army who have done so the right to loot the country?
See this is the paradox. Civilian ruler and military rulers have done this in a relative way. Is there any Civilian leader who has not looted this country? The difference here is that the militayr leader at least tries to defend what his loot comes from whereas our civilian leaders find another source once they cannot take advantage of it anymore.
I am in no way saying looting the country is justified for any army personnel but then if you compare it is even worse for civilians to do it also. Musharraf has to eventually rely on the civilian leaders to follow through on the changes he wants doesn he. And if they have proven incapable of doing so then why does he deserve the sole blame for it. In that case you should accept a martial law because then he would have top down control and he make whatever he wants happen. And then you will be crying about return to civilian rule whose incompetancy leaves you nowhere.
It doesn't matter whether the leader of the country comes through democratic means or coup. What matters is that if he wants to take the right steps then follow him support him. The opposition is Pakistan never joins hands with the ruling government in anything or they think that the role of opposition is to destroy a prevalant government instead of supporting it. Once it is destroyed then we can have our right of way. The purpose of an opposition is not oppose and oppose every move the government takes but it is to support them when it will prdoduce a positive outcome and propose an alternate strategy if they think it would work better than the prevalant one.