thanks again brother Ahmed G! indeed truth revealing sites!!!
Indeed they are truth revealing site Akhy Azam..
Alhamdulillah, the truth does not die and never will.
So, finaly we have proven that Islamically it's our belife as Muslims nation wide belive that Prophet Muhammad Sallahu ^layhi wassallam is beneficial at all times. During his life and after his death. Prophet Muhammad is the best of Allah's creations and the best that there will ever be. Different from what others say that Muhammad is useless!! Ya lateef.
O Allah we ask you to grant us the sincere intentions and to increace our love to the Prophet, we ask you Allah to gather us in Paradise by the virtue of the Propeht.
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Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh:
**Ahmad G, did u even read striving muslim's post?
I'm wondering what kind of discussion it is when people just keep posting whatever it is they believe, disregarding the posts/arguments of others.
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wondering along with you gfq
ahmad, try to read the ayah from my last post (Al Ra'ad--40)
how can he be ALIVE in his grave??? (btw, you never really DID answer that question)...
start reading others' post buddy.
Sisters, I do really hear what you are saying and am listening to eveything others say and also happy to hear them. I will accept what you say and hope that you accept what I say. Now, x. mentioned the ayah that she thought that I didn't read. That ayah clear enough for all of us. I didn't say that the PRopeht did not die! I said he's alive in his grave; which means he died, than Allah brought back his soul to his grave same as all Prophets. Allad did say that O Muhammad you are dead and so are they yes. But Prophet Muhammad said that their souls will be brought back in many hadihts. They pray in their graves. They don't live to eat and drink or to come out! That's asserted from what was mentioned by Prophet Muhammad sallallahu ^alyhi wassallam what means: “The Prophets are alive in their graves praying” (((Imam Al Bayhaqiyy said that this is a Sahih hadith in Juz’ “the life of the Prophets”))) and was it was reported by (((Al-Hafith ibn Hajar))) that this hadith (((is thabit in the book “Fath Al Bary”))) and this a second hadith related by (((Al Bayhaqiyy and Al Hakim))) that the Prophet said what means: “Allah forbade for earth to decay the bodies of the Prophets” and a lot of other Ahadiths that proves the truthfulness of what we say.. But before I put more ahadiths, does anyone think that these ahadiths oppose the verses from al-Qur'an?!! How could they?!! Qur'an and Hadiht Comply. All verses comply with each other, and all Hadiths comply with each other. But let no one dare to think that he understands the Qur'an better than Sahabah and Scholars not to mention the Prophet. How could one understand Al-Qur'an without Haidhts?! How can one understand hadith without saying of a qualified scholar?! (such as al bayhaqiy, ibn hajar.. in this case).
So these hadiths and others as well prove that the Propht is alive in his grave, it means he has life in his grave. Don't you know that to make salah and salam on the Prophet is sunnah especially in friday? And that salat and salam will reach him as he said? And don't you know that Prophet ^Isa will descend to earth and visit the grave of the Propeht and ^Isa will say Assalamu ^Alaykum and the Propeht will answer him back from the grave?!
Also in Sahih Muslim, Chapter 2/33: THE SOULS OF THE MARTYRS ARE IN PARADISE; THEY ARE ALIVE AND FIND THEIR SUSTENANCE FROM THEIR LORD
(((Book 20, Number 4651)))
"It has been narrated on the authority of Masruq Who said: We asked 'Abdullah about the Qur'anic verse:" Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they are alive, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord.." (iii. 169). He said: We asked the meaning of the verse (from the Holy Prophet) who said: The souls, of the martyrs live in the bodies of green birds who have their nests in chandeliers hung from the throne of the Almighty. They eat the fruits of Paradise from wherever they like and then nestle in these chandeliers. Once their Lord cast a glance at them and said: Do ye want anything? They said: What more shall we desire? We eat the fruit of Paradise from wherever we like. Their Lord asked them the same question thrice. When they saw that they will continue to be asked and not left (without answering the question). they said: O Lord, we wish that Thou mayest return our souls to our bodies so that we may be slain in Thy way once again. When He (Allah) saw that they had no need, they were left (to their joy in heaven).".. Is that impossible for martyrs?! nothing is impossible to Allah.
I hope that all of these are clear to you because if they are not, than some of us are lacking some essentials of beliefs that they should start with.
Why would any be surprize about that?! Why do we doubt about the power and ability of Allah?! Allah does anything he wills, everything happnes only by his will.
Like I love it when everyone tells me but Allah said this in the ayah.. but he would be interperting the ayah in a way that it would contradict with hadith, that's why one must acquire the knowledge from knoeldgeable people not just from reading, with all do respect to the Brohters and sisters.
If any need more info, Insha'llah, please ask. I'm there to hear you, but not what "you", wiht all resepect, say, but with what the acceptable Islamic contexts say.
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think ahmad, just think buddy.
WE are only told about ISA(as) as the only one being alive and will be brought back to earth!
NO ONE ELSE!!!!!
once someone dies (be it prophet or any other human being) they DO NOT return to earth...none of the hadiths record that....
X, Ok. I happy to hear that you do belive that Isa ^Alayhis-Salam will return. But what is your comment of that Hadith which I mentioned that says Jesus will return and he will visit the Propeht and he will say salam to him?.
And let's clear this, We did not say that Propehts come out back to earth because they don't. They do not come back to earth. But according to the hadith that I read and I was taught and is found in the references that I put and the last hadiht was from Sahih Muslim that the Prophets are alive in their graves praying.
That's the creed of Ahlus-Sunnah, If there's opposers to this, please provide a saying from the Islamic Resources that prooves us wrong and I will listen.
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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
**X, Ok. I happy to hear that you do belive that Isa ^Alayhis-Salam will return. But what is your comment of that Hadith which I mentioned that says Jesus will return and he will visit the Propeht and he will say salam to him?.
And let's clear this, We did not say that Propehts come out back to earth because they don't. They do not come back to earth. But according to the hadith that I read and I was taught and is found in the references that I put and the last hadiht was from Sahih Muslim that the Prophets are alive in their graves praying.
That's the creed of Ahlus-Sunnah, If there's opposers to this, please provide a saying from the Islamic Resources that prooves us wrong and I will listen.
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when a hadith contradicts the quran, it is weak or FABRICATED!..only the return of ISA(ra) is mentioned in the Quran..if prophets' praying, sleeping was so important, it would have been mentioned in the quran also.
*“The Prophets are alive in their graves praying” (((Imam Al Bayhaqiyy said that this is a Sahih hadith in Juz’ “the life of the Prophets”))) *
why do you need imam al bayhaqiyy to find something in SAHIH for you?...go find it urself and paste the page number and heading.
And believe me, there arent such hadiths....you will not find them in the six hadith books sunnis beleive in.
Masha'llah.. You are denying this fact so you are the one who must bring a proof that you are right.. Does that not make sense to you?!
I have put my proof and told you that it is in Al Bayhaqiyy in the Juz' The life of the Prophet which is as simple as could be.
La Hawla wala Quwwata Illa Billah!!. I can bring the page number if you want too!! But I brought a hadith to prove that! You think I got that hadith from a different Version of Al-Bayhaqiyy!! Go check it yourself, I have checked and verified my resources!!..
But tell me, are you going to accept it when you read it?!!
like i said before, if some hadith contradicts the quran, it is fabricated.
secondly, you mentioned SAHIH...bahaqiyy???
third, i've provided ayahs from the quran that prove tabarruk to be wrong.
oh sure, why not, lets give this a try...mind providing a webpage??
Masha-Allah. Good answer brother Ahmed G!
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May Allah bless you!!
May Allah gives us taufeeq to follow the sunnah of rasool Allah and his righteous sahabas!!
JazkAllah. We totally agree with you Brother Ahmed G!
azam,do you realize this is ur seventh post in a row with the same words:
"subhannallah ahmad bro, keep up the good work
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get over it man…
For your first comment, that shows how much you lack knowledge, when you said sahih bayhaqi, and I never said becasue Al-Bayhaqiy has no Sahih. But what you read wrong along with all of the wrong info that you read, was Al Bayhaqiyy said is so book, and he said it was a “sahih” Hadith. I don’t have time now to explain to you what a sahih, da^eef, hassan hadiths are, but hopefully you will ask rather than complain and oppose.
You proved Tabarruk wrong?! If so tell me how? tell us what the Scholars interperted what you say, and I’m listening.
Need a webpage? Don’t kow for what, but if you are wandering where all that info is from, beliiiiiiiiiieve me it’s my info my articles, but I will give you some websites so you can benefit from.
www.Wahabies.cjb.net www.islamistrue.com www.aicp.org www.2mcr.com www.hamzeit.com
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wahabies are sunnis in disguise period.
Thay are sunnis and no one can deny it.
Brother Shah Jahan,
Wahabies are not sunnis. The true ahle sunnah wal jamaat never believes in hatred and cursing people from other sects. Wahabies are a deviant group among us but sunnis themselves dont like them.Ahle sunnah wal jamaat believes in truely giving respect and love to Prophet and His family.
hope that helps clear some confusion.
insha-Allah!