Well it looks like the ‘liberated’ don’t quite get it.. they are supposed to just sit back and cheer their newly appointed governors, not express what they REALLY feel.. cuz that’s bad TV and no one will pick the footage up.
fruits of liberation for americans to enjoy :-)
**“No to America, No to Saddam,” **](Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera)cried the protestors, in their strongest protest to date of the tumultuous events that have overtaken the city in the past few days since the US-led forces rolled into the city centre and the rule of law collapsed.
US troops kill upto 10 Iraqi protestors in Mosul…
And is this what the Anglo-American forces mean by “liberating” the Iraqi people?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/16/international/worldspecial/16CND-NORT.html
U.S. Puts Iraqi Death Toll at 7 in Mosul Clashes
Seven Iraqis were killed and “several wounded” by United States forces in response to a demonstration here in which shots were fired at American troops, the United States Central Command said today. Iraqi officials said on Tuesday that at least 10 Iraqi men were killed and up to 16 wounded in the chaotic clash with thousands of protesters. Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks said demonstrators fired at marines and special operations forces near a government building the Americans had occupied in the center of Mosul. “Fire was directed at the marines and special operations forces in this complex,” General Brooks said at a daily news briefing in Qatar. “It was aim fire and aim fire was returned against some of the demonstrators, against some of the agitators climbing the wall of the compound. It was lethal fire.” No Americans were hurt, and American military officials said on Tuesday that they could give no precise estimate of the number dead. But Dr. Ayad Ramadhani, a doctor at the general hospital, put the Iraqi death toll at 10. The deaths are likely to worsen tensions in Mosul, a stronghold of Arab nationalism already chafing under the American occupation, which is barely five days old. The shooting began after a group of marines took control of the governor’s office in downtown Mosul on Tuesday morning. A first attempt to secure the building by a dozen American Special Forces soldiers on Friday ended with the Americans coming under fire and retreating. The identity of the gunmen is not known, but Mosul has long been a stronghold of President Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party.
On Tuesday morning, roughly 130 marines returned to secure the building for a civil affairs team that planned to reopen it as a sign of restored normalcy in a city racked by looting and gunfire. But a large crowd — 3,000 by Marine estimates — quickly formed around the building. American and Iraqi officials agree that tensions quickly rose, but their versions of what happened next diverge. Col. Andrew P. Frick, commander of the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which began arriving here only two days ago, said the crowd was hostile toward the Americans. “There was a lot of pushing and shoving,” he said. “A couple of drivers were spit on.” The crowd started beating Paul Watson, a reporter for The Los Angeles Times, who was rescued by the marines. Later, men in the crowd started shooting, and the marines withdrew into the building but continued to receive fire, Colonel Frick said. After the marines fired warning shots, most of the people dispersed, the colonel said. But when shots continued to hit the building, Colonel Frick said, "the marines said, `O.K., the fight is on,’ " and they returned fire. The shooting went on for 10 to 15 minutes, until American planes arrived and the gunmen scattered. Colonel Frick said he did not know how many Iraqis had been killed.
Wounded Iraqis in the city’s general hospital on Tuesday gave a different version of events. They said an Iraqi opposition leader, Mishaan al-Jabouri, started speaking to the crowd and hailing the arrival of American forces in Mosul. It was unclear how Mr. Jabouri, who has been in exile in Syria and whose record includes charges of corruption and theft, got into Mosul. On Monday he told French journalists that he had been appointed the new governor of Mosul, a claim denied by American officials. But his message angered the crowd, Iraqis said. “They began throwing stones,” said Fateh Tata Abed, a 32-year-old man shot in the chest and upper arm. “And the American forces started shooting at us.” Sadullah Ghanal, 39, who was also shot, gave roughly the same version of events. “After we threw stones at Mishaan Jabouri,” he said, “the Americans started to fire on us.” Doctors said 15 men and an 11-year-old girl had been wounded, and they displayed an X-ray showing a chunk of shrapnel embedded in the girl’s lung. Relatives said she had been on the roof of a nearby building when she was hit. The governor’s building, a four-story, blocklong monolith, appears to have become the focus of a test of wills between American forces pouring into the area and unknown gunmen lurking in the center of the city. Col. Robert Waltemeyer, the commander of American Special Operations forces here, remained in the building all day Tuesday with a large force of marines and seemed determined to stay, while American fighter jets flew low passes over the center of town, rattling and sometimes shattering windows. The day’s events punctured a short-lived mood of relative normalcy in Mosul. After at least 18 deaths, rampant looting and persistent sniping at American soldiers who entered the city on Friday, some shops opened on Monday and some streets even hummed with traffic. But the increasingly polarized atmosphere in Mosul was evident in the growing number of Iraqi flags that appeared on the streets, while American forces patrolled the city in cars flying large American flags. The United States Army has forbidden its troops to display the American flag in Iraq. Outside the hospital, as an American jet roared a few hundred feet overhead and hospital workers glanced up fearfully, Dr. Ramadhani criticized American tactics. “This is terrorism!” he shouted, as the windows of the hospital rattled. “We are scared. What about the children? What about the sick people?” A few feet away, an American Special Forces soldier guarding the hospital said Iraqis misunderstood American actions here. “The marines took fire and had to return it,” he said. The low-flying planes, he said, were to deter attacks. “It’s a show of force, but people don’t understand it,” said the soldier, who did not want to be identified. “They’re not grateful.”
So sad!
American terrorists have admitted they killed these people after first trying to make excuses, and as in Basra and Najaf these seem to be protests by Iraqi’s at the appointment of Anglo-American puppets brought into to adminster Iraq.
Witnesses said US troops fired into a crowd growing increasingly hostile to a speech being given by the town’s newly appointed governor.](BBC NEWS | Middle East | US admits Mosul killings)
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*“No to America, No to Saddam,” **cried the protestors, in their strongest protest to date of the tumultuous events that have overtaken the city in the past few days since the US-led forces rolled into the city centre and the rule of law collapsed.
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I'm not sure if they will keep demonstrating for long, it will be occasional and will fade away when/if $$ start flowing towards general public. Lets see.
Will miracles never cease. Those lying Iraqis were telling the truth, after all.
US admits Mosul killings, BBC, 14 April 2003
A US commander has admitted that American troops did shoot and kill a number of Iraqis during a protest in the northern city of Mosul. Brigadier-General Vince Brooks said US marines and special forces soldiers fired at demonstrators on Tuesday after they came under attack from people shooting guns and throwing rocks. “Fire was indeed delivered from coalition forces, it was lethal fire and some Iraqis were killed as a result, we think the number is in the order of seven and we think there were some wounded as well,” he said.
A BBC correspondent in the city says Mosul is extremely tense - and latest reports from there say at least three people have been killed and several others wounded by gunfire. The French news agency quotes an Iraqi police officer as saying the police fired into the air to disperse looters who were trying to rob a bank. Eyewitnesses said US troops then fired on a crowd close to the building from nearby rooftops.
US forces had earlier denied responsibility for the killings on Tuesday.
Witnesses said US troops fired into a crowd growing increasingly hostile to a speech being given by the town’s newly appointed governor. A US spokesman said troops were returning fire from a nearby building and did not aim into the crowd. The incident underlines the difficulties US forces face in trying to keep the peace in a country now confronting an uncertain future.
Some reports suggest up to 15 people were killed in Mosul, with between 60 and 100 people injured.
The trouble began as an angry crowd gathered outside the governor’s building, demanding that Kurdish peshmerga fighters and Americans leave the city, witnesses told the BBC. The city’s population is dominated by Sunni Arabs fiercely opposed to Kurdish control. Mosul’s new governor, Mashaan al-Juburi - an Arab associated with the peshmerga - appears to have tried to pacify the crowd.
“He said everything would be restored, water, electricity, and that the Americans [were democratic],” Marwan Mohammed told AFP. “The Americans [troops] were turning around the crowd. The people moved toward the government building, the children threw stones, the Americans started firing. Then they prevented the people from recovering the bodies,” he said.
But this account was contradicted by another witness who told the BBC the first shooting sounded like it came from a light weapon - “a Kalashnikov, not like the weapons Americans have”.
Details are also emerging of revenge attacks which apparently took place in the days following the withdrawal of Iraqi troops from Kirkuk, also in the north of the country. The human rights organisation, Human Rights Watch, which has just been on a four-day visit to the city, says Baath party officials were the targets of reprisal killings. At least 40 people died in such attacks, the organisation says. “They got caught out in clashes between [the withdrawing Iraqi government] and mainly armed civilians,” said Hania Mufti, a member of the delegation visiting the city. “Some of them died in these clashes. Others were wounded, but then they were dragged out and shot dead.”
The organisation has also expressed concern over the plight of about 2,000 Arabs who say they were forced to leave their villages around Kirkuk. They were settled there in the 1970s as part of the Iraqi Government’s campaign to “Arabise” an area which had previously belonged to Kurds. Massoud Barzani, leader of the Kurdistan Democratic Party, has condemned any attacks on Arabs by Kurds, and appealed for all Iraqi “brothers” to “safeguard the spirit of peaceful and fraternal coexistence”.
** Brigadier-General Vince Brooks said US marines and special forces soldiers fired at demonstrators on Tuesday after they came under attack from people shooting guns and throwing rocks.**
Imagine that, US troops didn't respond by throwing lollipops back at the rioters that were shooting at them. If a "religous" mob can stab and shoot their religous leaders in a violent frenzy as was done last week in Iraq, should the US have let this mob continue their rioting and be killed ?
Where are the lollipops and the flowers that the Iraqis were supposed to be throwing at their liberators?
Besides its the Americans that are saying that the crowd was firing on them. Similar stunts like these by the Americans and the whole of Iraq would be out on the streets against them.
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* Brigadier-General Vince Brooks said US marines and special forces soldiers fired at demonstrators on Tuesday after they came under attack from people shooting guns and throwing rocks.**
Imagine that, US troops didn't respond by throwing lollipops back at the rioters that were shooting at them. If a "religous" mob can stab and shoot their religous leaders in a violent frenzy as was done last week in Iraq, should the US have let this mob continue their rioting and be killed ?
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Another attack on civilians by trigger happy ‘John Rambos’ ! 
If in less than a week the Iraqi people from the South to the North are voicing such hatred and resentment against the Anglo-American occupation forces, then we may tragically more such atroctites by the terrorist invaders.
US killed 17 Mosul civilians - claim](http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/24by7panews/page.cfm?objectid=12857351&method=full&siteid=50143) Mirror News
Apr 16 2003
US forces have been accused of killing 17 Iraqi civilians in the northern city of Mosul during two days of confrontations. The violence underscored that although the worst of the fighting may be over peace had not come to Iraq. At least 18 were injured in the violence in Iraq’s third-largest city.
US Central Command in Qatar confirmed that American troops killed about seven Iraqis during a demonstration on Tuesday but did not immediately comment on accusations that US marines shot civilians today. Hospital administrators put the death toll at 14 on Tuesday and three on Wednesday. Brigadier General Vincent Brooks of Central Command said American troops were trying to secure a government building in Mosul on Tuesday when a crowd began throwing rocks at them, punching and spitting at them and setting cars alight.
He said some of the Americans fired back after shots were directed at them, and some members of the crowd began trying to climb over a wall into the government compound in a co-ordinated “assault.” The shooting apparently began with an attempt by police to drive looters away from the Central Bank, opposite the governor’s office. The bank was in flames this afternoon and old Iraqi coins lay scattered in the street nearby.
Wounded police officer Amar Ghanem Abdullah, 25, was among those ordered to stop the looting. He said the police shot in the air to disperse the crowd and then the Americans fired from roof of the governor’s building. Tensions have been high in Mosul, a city of nearly 700,000 people, since the majority Arab city fell without a fight last Friday and Kurdish and US forces moved in. Tensions have escalated between the Arabs and the large Kurdish minority, and looting was rampant until US troops restored a degree of order.
U.S. Troops Accused of Killing Iraqis
The “protector and liberators” showing their true colours. It was only a mater of time before their trigger happy kill first and ask questions later nature was to show up. It says something about the brutality of the occupying forces when the “liberated” people say “We want Saddam back. At least there was security.” Shame on the Yanks.
U.S. Troops Accused of Killing Iraqis](http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030417_212.html)
MOSUL, Iraq April 17 —
Anarchy and violence in Iraqi’s third-largest city have drawn U.S. Marines into confrontations for two straight days, and hospital officials said 17 Iraqis died and at least 17 others were injured.
The U.S. Central Command, while acknowledging a gunbattle on Tuesday, had no immediate comment on a second day of violence reported Wednesday by Mosul residents and hospital personnel.
Hospitals said 14 people died Tuesday, while U.S. officers put the death toll around seven. Three more Iraqis were reported fatally shot Wednesday and 17 wounded.
“They are killing us and no one’s talking about it,” Zahra Yassin said at a hospital with her wounded son. “We want Saddam back. At least there was security.”
Wednesday’s shooting apparently began with an attempt by police to drive looters away from the Central Bank, opposite the governor’s office, the scene of Tuesday’s bloodshed. The bank was in flames Wednesday night; old Iraqi coins lay scattered in the street.
Wounded policeman Amar Ghanem Abdullah, 25, said he was among officers ordered to stop the looting. **He said police fired warning shots in the air to disperse the crowd, and then U.S. Marines opened fire with a heavy machine gun from the roof of the governor’s building.
“It was clear from where I was, where the sound was coming from,” said Abdullah, who was wounded in both legs. The Americans “thought we were shooting at them. … We were just there to protect the people.”
A Marine sergeant near the scene denied that U.S. troops fired into the crowd.**
The Marine, who would give only his first name, Chet, said there had been gunfire from a building across a park from the Marines and that the Marines responded to that, rather than the police firing.
Mohammed Rabih Sheet, an administrator at Jumhuriya Hospital, said there were three dead at his hospital and 11 wounded, including two children. Dr. Ahmed Hikmat, a surgeon at Saddam Hospital, said six wounded were being treated there, including three in critical condition.
Six of the wounded at Jumhuriya Hospital who spoke to a reporter said Americans had shot them.
“I saw Americans standing on the street and on the roof shooting,” said Mozafar Ahmad, 14, who was hit in the arm and above the knee. He said he was one of eight passengers injured on a bus driving by the governor’s office.
In Doha, Qatar, the U.S. Central Command confirmed American troops killed some Iraqis during a riot Tuesday, but Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said the death toll was “on the order of seven.”
He said U.S. forces defending the government compound fired only after being shot at and when some rioters in the street tried to climb over the wall.
Mosul has seen numerous disturbances since it fell without a fight Friday and Kurdish and U.S. forces moved in. Since then, tensions have escalated between Arab residents and the large Kurdish minority in the city of 700,000.
Iraqis said Tuesday’s disturbance began when a large crowd turned violent in front of the governor’s office during a speech by the new governor, Mashaan al-Juburi, a former journalist with the newspaper of Saddam Hussein’s ruling Baath Party.
Al-Juburi assumed the governorship after the city fell, but has found opposition as well as support. He is an ally of Massoud Barzani, head of the Kurdish Democratic Party, which controls the western section of the Kurdish autonomous region.
**Al-Juburi told the Los Angeles Times the crowd became enraged at the sight of a U.S. flag atop a building, an allegation denied by Lt. Col. Robert Waltemeyer, commander of the 10th Special Forces troops in Mosul.
The New York Times said the crowd of about 2,000 was angered by Al-Juburi’s own words, which were pro-American.**
The New York Times said the crowd of about 2,000 was angered by Al-Juburi's own words, which were pro-American.
The same is happening all over Iraq, and American patience seems to have run out so soon for Iraqi people expressing their free will, that they now have to start butchering demonstrators. The American occupation forces have really shown their terrorist ways for all to see...
The freedom of expression also means expressing their opinions on the illegal occupation of their country. So much for freedom of expression. The Iraqi people would do well to remember that freedom of expression can cause bombs acidentally falling on you. Ask Aljazeera's afghanistan and Iraqi correspondents.
I was watching BBC news a few days ago and the crowd in Baghdad were chanting "Yanks go home". The great liberators who were standing there with their guns were using the F word in all its glory. I thought they were overjoyed by the free expression of sentiments by the Iraqi people. :D
TA DA !! so it wasn't a kid stealing a PC.
Maybe in this case it would have been OK to use riot control methods? Even though some of you are ready to try Bush as a war criminal for allowing the troops to use tear gas just a few days ago.
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*I was watching BBC news a few days ago and the crowd in Baghdad were chanting "Yanks go home". The great liberators who were standing there with their guns were using the F word in all its glory. I thought they were overjoyed by the free expression of sentiments by the Iraqi people. :D *
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It seems not, if they have to butcher Iraqi demonstrators who are protesting at US-installed puppets. In towns and cities across Iraq the Iraqi people are shouting slogans like **"No to America, No to Saddam". ** and "No Chalabi" etc...
Well!! americans are liberators for sure. They are liberating their souls from there bodies.
a violent demonstration is the quote from the American command centre in doha.
Yeah i suppose this is similar to the market bombings which clearly show american made missle fragments but this same command centre quoted as saying the iraqis bombed themselves yeah right!
US occupiers claim they liberating the people who they say love america and so happy for freedom that they then end up shooting them hmmmmmmm
So firstly you have a demonstration against the americans showing them they are not welcome and secondly The US forces are saying you liberate them by firing into a crowd of people and killing them 