Could you provide reference for this? It was Abu Haneefa who was left speechless when Imam Muhammad Baqir corrected him and drew this analogy and not the other way around.
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I believe desert bird is right here. This account was used as a basis for future studies to explain why it is inherently dangerous in using purely the intellect without reference to traditions.
I am sorry brother but even the title of this article is misleading. Imam Abu Hanifa himself said that had it not been for Imam Jaffar as Sadiqs’ company he would have been dead. Imam Jaffar as Sadiq (as) was the biggest aalim of his time and Abu Hanifa travelled from Kufa to Madina to study under him. According to all the major histories the ilm of Ahlul Bayt (as) was unparalelled. Rasool Allah called Imam Baqir (as) “Baqir ul Ilm”! take a look at this 2 minute clip from Dr Tahir ul Qadri and listen to the whole lecture if you get time:
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....One of his famous discussions was with imam Abu Hanifa: Once imam Abu Hanifa came to Madina and asked for a meeting with Imam Jafar. But Imam rejected his request and did not grant him permission. Abu Hanifa explains: "I waited at his door for a while until a group of people from Kufa arrived and asked his permission to enter; he granted them the permission and I entered with them. When I met him, I said: 'It would be wise if you send a representative to Kufa and advise them to stop mocking Prophet's companions. There are more than 10,000 people there who mock Prophet's companions.' Imam: "They will not listen to me!" Abu Hanifa: "How could they not accept your words and you are Prophet's son (grandson)?" Imam: "You are one of them who do not listen to my words! Didn't you enter my house without my permission? And without my permission you sat. And without my permission you spoke. I have heard that you use "Qyaas" (rule of comparison) to issue a fatwa." Abu Hanifa: "Yes!" Imam: "Woe to you! The first person who used this method was Shaytaan. When Allah, the Exalted, told him bow to Adam, he said: 'I wont, because You created me from fire and him from mud." Then Imam Jafar continued: "In your opinion, which one is more important: killing someone without a just cause, or adultery?" Abu Hanifa: "Killing without a just cause is worse." Imam: "If Qyaas is a correct method, then why murder requires two witnesses but adultery requires four? Is this law of Islam compatible with Qyaas?" Abu Hanifa: "No!" Imam: "Which one is more impure: urine or semen?" Abu Hanifa: "Urine." Imam: "Then why Allah, the Exalted, has ordered us to do Wudu for the first but to do Ghusul for the other? Is this compatible with Qyaas?" Abu Hanifa: "No!" Imam: "Praying is more important or fasting?" Abu Hanifa: "Prayer." Imam: "Then why an impure woman must remake her fasts but not her prayers? Is this rule compatible with Qyaas?" Abu Hanifa: "No!" Imam: "About the aya saying: "On that day, you shall most certainly be asked about the boons"(Surat-al-Takathur, Aya 8), I've heard you interpret it such that: Allah, the Exalted, will question people about the food and cool water in the Summer." Abu Hanifa: "True, I interpret it such." Imam: "If a person invites you to his house, gives you cool water and food and then questions you about it; what would you say about that person?!" Abu Hanifa: "I would say he is ungiving." Imam: "Is Allah, the Exalted, ungiving so that He would question us about the food He has provided?!" Abu Hanifa: "Then what does Quran mean by "the boons" which we will be questioned about?" Imam: " 'The boons' is the love towards us, the family of Prophethood and the household of Prophet."
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You could read more from the most authentic tawareekh like Al Sawa'q Al Moharaqa by Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani, Durul Munsur by Jalaludin Suyuti, Tabari etc.
Also note that Abu Hanifa was 34 years of age when Imam Baqir passed away.
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No one is denying Imam Jaffar Sadiq status. He was not only Imam of Fiqah and Hadees but also the spirtual leader and in chain of 4 schools of thought of mysticism , his name is included in it.
Regarding about debate b/w Imam Jaffar and Imam Abu Hanifa, declaring Qiyaas as wrong by Imam Jaffar goes against the famous hadees when Prophet(pbuh) sent Muaz bin Jabal(ra) to Yemen and then said what will u do if some problem would come to you, He replied i will look up in Quran, if not then in Hadees/Sunnat if not then i will deduce it in light of quran and sunnah and thats what Qiyaas is .Its not some sort of Atkal Pachhu but is deduction from quran and sunnah and requires great intellect and knowledge.I am not saying Imam Jaffar Sadiq is wrong in saying that but its not necessary everything what shia sites quote is 100% right. Infact Abu Hanifa considered its honour to be a student of Imam Jafar .
I can’t help but laugh at the uncoordinated marching by his “soldiers”. Looks so stupid.
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Regarding about debate b/w Imam Jaffar and Imam Abu Hanifa, declaring Qiyaas as wrong by Imam Jaffar goes against the famous hadees when Prophet(pbuh) sent Muaz bin Jabal(ra) to Yemen and then said what will u do if some problem would come to you, He replied i will look up in Quran, if not then in Hadees/Sunnat if not then i will deduce it in light of quran and sunnah and thats what Qiyaas is .Its not some sort of Atkal Pachhu but is deduction from quran and sunnah and requires great intellect and knowledge.I am not saying Imam Jaffar Sadiq is wrong in saying that but its not necessary everything what shia sites quote is 100% right. Infact Abu Hanifa considered its honour to be a student of Imam Jafar .
NO IT DOESNT GO AGAINST THE HADITH. You cant do qiyas on a direct command of Allah (swt). That is what Shaitaan did as Imam Sadiq (as) told Abu Hanifa.
Qiyas/Aql on matters that are not apparent in Quran o Hadith and thats what this riwayat implies.
Btw the history books i named are not Shia but authentic Sunni so cant be brushed aside as biased.
Peace desert bird and Pagluu
Just clarify the above … the correct manner this even unravelled was that Imam Baqir heard that Imam Abu Hanifah would use analogy, so he said to him that “you changed my grandfathers religion by analogy” the reply given was a question then an answer 3 times … both were in agreement.
Q1 [About inheretence]
Q2 - Imam Abu H) What is more important Prayer or Fasting
A Imam Baqir) Prayer
Response I Abu H) If I had been changing the deen by analogy then I would have made fasting more important because for fasting there is Qadza and for prayer there is not wrt women menses.
Q3) [Was about more unclean urine or sperm]
Imam Abu Hanifa R A page 26 of 66
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^brother, i provided u the name of the most authentic books of history above.
btw a question, do u know at what age did Abu Hanifa became a Faqih?
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Abu Bakr Muhammad b. Umar al-Je'abi reported to me from Abu al-Abbas Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Saeed al-Hamadani, who reported from Ahmad b. Yahya Zakariyya; and Muhammad b. Abdullah b. Muhammad b. Salim among the latter ones, both of whom reported from Abdullah b. Salim, who reported from Hisham b. Mehran, who reported from his maternal uncle Muhammad b. Zayd al-Attar, who was among the prominent companions of A'armash, reporting from Muhammad b. Ahmad b. al-Hasan, reported from Munzir b. Jayfar, reporting from Muhammad b.Yezid Albani, who said:
I was present at Ja'far b. Muhammad's , when Umar b. Qays al-Masir and Abu Hanifa and Umar b. Dharr, together with a group of their companions, called upon him. Then they asked him about faith (al-Iman). He said: The Prophet, peace be upon him and his progeny, said: "An adulterer (and a fornicator) does not commit that sin at the same time being a Mo'min, and a thief does not steal at the same time being a Mo'min, and one does not drink liquor (intoxicant) while being a Mo'min."
We started looking at each other, then Umar b. Dharr said: "What shall we call them?"
He, peace be upon him, said: "Call them the way Allah has called them because of their deeds. Allah in Qur'an says: 'And for a male thief and a female thief, cut off their hands' (al-Maedah V:38) and 'As for the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them a hundred stripes.' (al-Noor V:2)." Hearing this, they stared at each other.
Muhammad b. Yazid says: Bishr b. Umar b. Dharr, who was with them, reported to me that: When we left, Umar b. Dharr said to Abu Hanifa: "Why did you not ask him who had reported from the Prophet?" He (Abu Hanifa) said: "What can I say to a man who (authoritatively) says: The Prophet, peace be upon him and his progeny, said."
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Sorry to detrack the main topic but i had to share this 
One day when our 7th Imam, Imam Musa Al-Kadhim (as) was only 5 years old, Imam Abu Hanifa asked him who is responsible for our deeds. Does man do them of his own free will or does Allah make him do them.
Imam Musa Al-Kadhim (as) replied that were are three possibilities:
If the first is true than Allah should be judged on the day of Qiyamah and sent to heaven or hell.
If the second is true that both Allah and man should be judged on the day of Qiyamah and sent to heaven or hell.
The only one that is true is the third one because only man will be judged on the day of Qiyamah and sent to heaven or hell, as only man alone is responsible for his actions and deeds.
Moral: Although Allah has power over everything he allows us to do as we please so that we may be held accountable for our deeds on the day of Qiyamah.
^brother, i provided u the name of the most authentic books of history above.
btw a question, do u know at what age did Abu Hanifa became a Faqih?
Peace Pagluu
You read yet understand not ... you reply yet do so not on the topic at hand ...
I am saying that Imam Baqir and Imam Abu Hanifah were agreed on the fiqh, but Abu Hanifah clarified his posiition about which Imam Baqir had heard against him.
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Waalaikum Assalam Psyah. I admit i do read the posts rather quickly and if i missed anything then i apologise.
I notice your reference do state that both were in agreement but my point is that the details you have provided the link for differ from what the historians have said. I also read the same today in Allama Shibli Naumanis' book. Anyway, i thank you for your understanding.
He is a Shaikh of Owaisia Naqshbandia , his power is so much that 100's of his followers have directly** Ba'it on the hand of Prophet(pbuh) in Kashf** . Even his lowest follower sees Jannah and its detail with his own Eyes. Maulana Akram also talks with the soul of other prophets, martyrs in Jannah.Even he can ask any misconception about any hadees by taking ruling from the soul of Prophet(pbuh).
Brother, i don't wanted to do any "gustakhi" in the "shaan" of moulana. He sounds like a dajjal kind a thing to me.
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^^^ hahahahaaahahah
dajjal kinda thing hahahahah
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Desert Bird
App ko Illaj ke zarorat he. You need serious medical help.
so there’s something worst than shirk and kufr? and Jazak Allah khair for calling me wahabi because allhamdulillah our love for Shaykh Muhammad bin 'Abdul Wahab (rahimahullah) separates us from the heretics and grave worshippers.
why did you not answer my question: why were the Salaf not able to do all this, who were the best among the Muslims? Are you implying that your moulana sahab is better than them, not that i would be surprised if you did?
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Sufia are not grave worshippers and all salaf used to see,meet,ask,even learn and recited quran from Prophet(pbuh) in Kash and Dream, go and read history you will hundreds.
Sufia are not grave worshippers and all salaf used to see,meet,ask,even learn and recited quran from Prophet(pbuh) in Kash and Dream, go and read history you will hundreds.
Brother, its been a time did maulana do something exciting ? :)