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A mother brought his son to the Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani to become a murid (follower) A few months later she returned and saw him looking under nourished. She complained that Hazrat was himself partaking the delicious dish of chicken daily whereas his poor son had been made to keep up on dry bread. Hazrat on this complaint picked up the bone of a chicken, by this bone suddenly transformed into a live cock, which crowed as if to testify that there is no ilah but Allah. Mohammad is His Prophet “and Sheikh Abdul Qadir is His Wali”. Addressing the terrified woman he commented “when your son is able to do this, then there will be no reason why he should not eat the same as I do.”

Silsalah-e-Qadriah - S. Abdul Qadir Gillani - Karamaat (Miracles)

Now you will also deny that,unaware of the fact that this incident is reported by a large no. of great scholars . When saints of Allah with the grace of God can do that , then communicating with dead in Barzakh, Kashf ul Qaboor etc are very little thing !

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A narration attributed to Ibn 'Umar reports:

“'Umar sent an army and he put at the head of them a man called Sariyah. While 'Umar was delivering the khutbah he began to cry out, ‘Sariyah, the mountain!’ three times. Then later the messenger of the army came and he asked 'Umar, ‘Amir al-Muminin, we were being defeated and in that situation we heard a voice crying out, “Sariyah, the mountain!” three times. We put the mountain to our rear, and then Allah defeated them.’ Someone said to 'Umar, ‘You cried out with those words.’ That mountain, where Sariyah was, is close to Nahawand in the land of the non-Arabs (Persian Iraq).
in another version:

A narration attributed to Ibn 'Umar reports:

Umar was delivering the khutbah on the day of Jumu’ah and then he turned aside during his khutbah and said, ‘Sariyah, the mountain! He who asks the wolf to be a shepherd will be wronged.’ People looked about, one to another. Then 'Ali said to them, ‘Let him explain what he meant.’ When he had finished they asked him and he said, ‘It occurred to me in my mind that the idolators were defeating our brothers who were passing by a mountain, and that if they were to turn towards it, they would fight on one front only, but if they passed by it they would be destroyed. So there came out of me that which you claim you heard.’ He said: The messenger came a month later and mentioned that they had heard the voice of 'Umar on that day, and he said, ‘We turned towards the mountain, and Allah gave us victory.’ [2]](Sunni view of Umar - Wikipedia)”

A narration attributed to Amr ibn al-Harith reports:

“While 'Umar (ibn al-Khattab) was upon the mimbar delivering the khutbah on the day of jumu’ah suddenly he left off the khutbah and said, ‘Sariyah, the mountain!’ two or three times. Some of those present said, ‘He has gone mad, he is insane.’ 'Abd ar-Rahman ibn 'Auf went in to see him and he had confidence in him and he said, ‘You give them room to talk against you. While you were giving the khutbah, suddenly you cried out, “Sariyah, the mountain!” What sort of thing is this?’ He said, ‘By Allah, I could not control it. I saw them fighting near a mountain and they were being attacked from in front of them and from behind them. I could not stop myself from saying, “Sariyah, the mountain!” so that they would reach the mountain.’ Then they waited some time until Sariyah’s messenger came with his letter, ‘The people met us (in battle) on the day of jumu’ah, and we fought them until, when it was time for jumu’ah, we heard someone cry out, “Sariyah, the mountain!” twice, so we reached the mountain. We continued victorious over our enemy until Allah defeated them and killed them.’ Then those people who had accused him said, ‘Leave this man alone, because he is in collusion with him.’

A narration attributed to Ibn 'Umar reports:

Umar ibn al-Khattab said to a man, ‘What is your name?’ He said, ‘Jamrah (a live coal).’ He asked, ‘Whose son?’ He said, ‘The son of Shihab (flame).’ He asked, ‘From what tribe?’ He said, ‘From al-Hurqah (a state of burning).’ He asked, ‘Where is your dwelling?’ He said, ‘At al-Harrah (the heat).’ He asked, ‘In which of them?’ He said, ‘Dhat Ladha (the blazing one).’ 'Umar said, ‘Go to your family for they have been burnt.’ The man returned to his family and found that they had been burnt. ”

A narration attributed to Qais ibn al-Hajjaj from someone reports:

“When Egypt was conquered, its people came to 'Amr ibn al-'As](Amr ibn al-As - Wikipedia), when the first day of one of their months arrived, and they said to him, ‘Amir, this Nile of ours has a year in which it does not flow without it.’ He asked, ‘And what is that?’ They said, ‘When eleven nights have elapsed of this month we seek a young virgin from her parents, we obtain the consent of the parents, then we dress her in the best possible clothing and ornaments, and then we throw her in this Nile.’ So 'Amr said to them, ‘This will never be in Islam. Islam demolishes what precedes it.’ They left, and neither did the Nile flow a little nor a lot, until they intended to emigrate. When 'Amr saw that, he wrote to 'Umar ibn al-Khattab about it. He wrote back to him, ‘You were right in what you said. Truly, Islam demolishes what precedes it.’ He sent a slip of paper inside his letter and wrote to 'Amr, ‘I have sent you a slip of paper inside my letter, so throw it in the Nile.’ When 'Umar’s letter reached 'Amr ibn al-'As, he took the slip and opened it, and there in it was, 'From the slave of Allah ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Amir al-Muminin to the Nile of Egypt. Now, if you used to flow before, then don’t flow! If it was Allah who made you flow, then I ask the Overwhelming One to make you flow.’ He threw the slip into the Nile a day before (the Festival of) the Cross. They woke up in the morning, and Allah, Exalted is He, had made it flow (and it rose) sixteen cubits in one night. Allah cut off this sunnah (custom) of the people of Egypt right up to this day.

A narration attributed to Tariq ibn Shihab reports:

“A man was in conversation with 'Umar ibn al-Khattab and told him a lie, and he would say, ‘Withhold this.’ Then later he told him something else and he said, ‘Withhold this.’ He said to him, ‘Everything I told you was true except for what you told me to withhold.’ Al-Hasan said: If there was anyone who recognised a lie when he was told it, then it was 'Umar ibn al-Khattab.

A narration attributed to Abu Hudbah al-Himsi reports:

Umar was told that the people of Iraq had pelted their amir with pebbles and he went out angry. He performed the prayer but was forgetful in his prayer. When he had completed the prayer, he said, ‘O Allah, they have made me confused, so make them confused, and hasten with the youth of (the tribe of) Thaqif who will pass judgement among them with the judgement of Jahiliyyah, who will not accept from their good-doers and he will not pass over their wrong-doers with pardon.’ I say that this indicates al-Hajjaj.
Ibn Lahi’ah said, 'Al-Hajjaj was not yet born at that time.

Sunni view of Umar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don’t understand this…Umar (R.A) was predicted paradise by the Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W) in his life time and he didn’t make claims about communicating with the dead in Barzakh or seeking clarfiication from the Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W) regarding hadeeth etc. Umar (R.A) was very fearful and mindful of his duties to Allah and the deen.

I fail to see the importance/significance of all this and how can you be sure he is not talking to the shaitan instead of the prophets? Its very worrying indeed…

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I think there is a hdees of prophet(pbuh) who see me in dream infact he actually see me as shaitan cannot be able to do that.

Point is sahabas and saints were given some miracles as like prophets by Allah Almighty like Issa(as) used to raise dead one whike Prophet(pbuh) was never did this. Similarly some saints and sahabas were given different miracles and some were not.

But if you dont believe in Karamata-i-Aulia , then its upon you. I just gave my opinion .

so the message of the story is, learn how to make talking chickens from bones if you dont want to starve :smiley:

i believe that you sir are a troll, baiting for reactions.

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Aap ke bataau ka tau mai nai kabee bura manaya hee nahee :D

Peace desert bird

The Sufis are people who give their own food to others so they can eat, what is this story about? Even if we accept that Sh. Adb Qadir Al-Gilani did get a chicken from the bones, then we should expect him to share the food with his company … not have him starve.

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Psyah paai jaan , barai logo kee bari batai , depth par ghaur karai remebering Moosa(as) and Khizar(as) :)

Peace bro desert bird

I am but one of small mind ... please enlighten this brother of yours with the explanation that is due. Konsi bari baat hai? ... I can't tell.

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he looks like a vadera more than a spiritual leader. wakey wakey

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wats wrong with two guys marching infront of him???
i dono judge anyone here but his life style is not of sufis or the ones who prophet use to speak through :S

They are probably his guards to protect him.

feed a man a talking chicken and you feed him for a day. teach a man how to make a talking chicken and you feed him for life.

Peace ravage

My question is about the ethics of teaching one thing but at the same time doing something else hypocritically. If I wanted to teach someone how to bring meat back on to the bones of a chicken then I would not myself eat it and let the other poor soul just eat bread. I would subject both myself and him to bread and should he be successful in making the chicken then we would both eat from it.

Also, the way the story is narrated is that it is made to appear that the Sheikh intended to bring meat on to the chicken, whereas we know all documented Karamah and even with Maryam (AS) they did not do this with intention it just happened as a result of their faith in God as a Sustainer.

They never performed miracles as if they were sideshow tricks ... they had faith and in the most unexpected ways they would be protected without any knowledge of it until it actually happened and additionally they would be compelled by it and increase in faith as a result. I have heard that the Sheikh used to get sustenance but not as a result of his efforts but because his circumstances were exceptional. Most people would be required to earn and purchase their food like other human beings.

Unfortunately people think only those people Sufis weaing green cloack dancing madly on a beat of drums and after that have a nice soota of pung or charas as we see 100's of such 'Sufis' in front of shrine of Syed Ali Hajvery(data gunj bakhas) etc.Hazrat Usman(ra) used to live like a rich man though he was very generous in charity etc. Hazrat Abdur Rehman bin Auf(ra) when died had kilos of gold left behind. Hazrat Jabir bin Abdullah(ra) once asked Prophet(pbuh) I wish that my clothes,my shoes etc everything should be precious and good looking. Prophet(pbuh) smiled and replied " Allah likes beauty and He Himself is beautiful.Imam Malik of Medina used to live like a land lord when he was one of the greatest imam and faqeeh in medina .I have not a single ayat of Quran or any hadees which prohibts you to have a lifestyle whatsoever iff you earn all it by honest means.

Plz. folks, come out of these 'theories' you have made up about 'true sufis appearances' . I am sure Usman(ra), Abdur Rahman bin Auf(ra),Jabir(ra) and Imam Malik are sahabas and imams and know islam better than us !

Sir , i dont want to start a debate upon Shiekh Abdul Qadir who is considerede as a Imams of Sufias unanimously by ummah throughout in history neither i dare to start giving proofs of his greatness and his status and sanity.

One of the basic rules for anyone to enter into mysticism are
1.Qilaat-ul-Kalaam(less talk)
2.Qilaat-ul-Ta'am(less food)
3.Qilaat-ul-Nom(less sleep)

So, may be Shakh Abdul Qadir was saying to teach the 'freshman' about the rule no. 2. If someone wants to challenge the status of Abdul Qadir Jilani ,plz. have a seperate thread but it will just like someone stands and says Imam Abu Haneefah only knows 40 ahadees in all his life as usually claimed by Wahabis. Thats why i gave refernce of Moosa and Khizar that its not necessary to judge things by thier outward appearance .

Even Imam Baqir like man was confused when Imam Abu Haneefah said that Roza is more important than Namaz as for women due to thier monthly problem, have a Qaza for Roza not Namaz in his famous discussion with Imam Baqir. Its strange that now we people start pointing fingers on Shiekh Jilani or Abu Haneefah without knowing whats thier status in Islam.

Peace desert bird

You did not answer my question, instead you have asserted that I have spoken against Sheikh Jilani, not so, I have spoken against the words that are attributed to him or obscure translation thereof. It is true that mastering ones hunger is the path towards spiritual gain, but it does not change the fact that if one has food he should share it. I do believe many wrong things have been attributed to the Sheikh.

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Psyah paai jaan i am not blaming you , peace :)

I have read about bone chicken incient but not about sharing of food so may be you are right as sure some people in Aqeedat cross the limits and attribute wrong things to him
Regards

Could you provide reference for this?

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^^
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