well said
Loved Scratch's response. LOL.
According to what I've heard, children kafir or non-kafir, who die early, regardless of circumstances, on the Day of Judgement will have to get up and answer a question which Allah SWT will pose to each one. depending on if they get the answer right, they go to Heaven or Hell. It's not that just coz u r a kid and u die early, u get to go to Heaven. If that was the case, the other tradition that says children who die early will be a blessing for their parents because they will ask Allah SWT for their parents to be put in Heaven - would have an adverse affect on real life. Millions of selfish parents would be killing their kids mercilessly left, right and center - just so that they *themselves *could get to go to Heaven thru the child's prayer.
It is not true that children who die early will go to Heaven for sure. They, like all other people, will have to pass a test first. Logical.
But in their case, I think Allah mian is going to be verrrry lenient. Not in ours. :(
I think your nuts.
Tell me? Allah is gona ask a child? something unanswerable?
Think?
Oh wait...an Easy Q?
AAG, yeah. He made the child, he can do whatever He likes coz He is GOD understand? Or maybe it's tough for you to understand.
Jesus, FYI, was also a child when he was made our prophet and your "son of god or whatever", if u forget. If Jesus could spew verses the second he was outta the womb, so can Allah's other creations think for themselves the minute they rise outta their graves. He has that power. Get it?
And I'm not as nutty as you r btw.
Degas: Actually, I did answer your question. ANY child, regardless of what faith they're from or what their parents believe, will go straight to heaven, since they are not responsible for their actions until they hit puberty. Their actions will be upon their parents/or guardians, and society they're bred in. Thus, the Israeli kids murdered by the Palestinians (and YES, MURDERED!), will go str8 to Heaven. However, God is the ultimate judge and he will decide what He wants, although I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one.
CoolBreeze: Cool it, and learn to READ and UNDERSTAND what you read. Seriously, no offense, but I dont think English is your first language, ey? I never said 18 is THE CUT-OFF age. In fact, I said AFTER BEGINNING PUBERTY is where you're responsible for your actions. The age "18" was just an example. Sorry to have confused you.
Chaltahai - Yes I'm Muslim, and Yes I agree 100 percent with you. The muslim world is going NOWHERE and is being KICKED ON ITS HINY because we muslims are HARMING INNOCENT PEOPLE.
Until we get that thru our bigoted skulls, things wont change.
Ana bibi the example of Jesus was not really a correct one in my opinion 
Jesus is the Prophet of Allah, you can’t compare Prophets with normal human beings. this world is a test for all the humans. Allah puts us in this world and its for us to choose the path we choose, we are just ordinary human beings, 5 yr old does not know much about religion. maturity and knowledge comes with time. if a young kid gets killed or die a regular death i just can’t imagine them going to hell 
once you create a concept certain group of people go to hell
that gives heaven-bound group to misintrpret the concpet and assume right to abuse the hell-bound group.
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once you create a concept certain group of people go to hell
that gives heaven-bound group to misintrpret the concpet and assume right to abuse the hell-bound group.
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Islam does not say anywhere to kill the innocent so I don't know how they can misintrepet. good deeds will take you to heaven and bad deeds will take you to hell. I dont think there is anything wrong with that
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Islam does not say anywhere to kill the innocent so I don't know how they can misintrepet. good deeds will take you to heaven and bad deeds will take you to hell. I dont think there is anything wrong with that
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where did i mention word "kill" or islam?
well i thought thats what you were trying to say..i remember after the hijackers crashed into WTC there were big stories that the hijackers thought their reward would be heaven
kids are sin-free until they become mature, wether muslim or non muslim, they wont be held accountable for anything in front of Allah. They didnt stay long enough in this world to attempt the test made for us or gain a decent understanding of Islam.
I heard they become hoors after deat....I'm not sure though.
Kenny: To a non muslim the above line about kids becoming hoors is a bit sick. Considering the reward for martyrdom =72 hoors. According to some people here the kids killing terrorists are also martyrs.
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Kenny: To a non muslim the above line about kids becoming hoors is a bit sick. Considering the reward for martyrdom =72 hoors. According to some people here the kids killing terrorists are also martyrs.
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dont believe everything thats written here :)
Chaltahai: I get ure point, but by hoors i also meant angels and other heavenly creatures ect. I did say i'm not sure, so dont quote me on it plz....
but then again to a non muslim, it shouldn't really bother them should it?Afterall, they probably don't beleive in the hoors and martyrs ect.......so whats the bother?
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Kenny: When islamic zealots kill kuf'r children in their quest for matrydom and when the same children are supposedly the reward (per your statement), you can see how it can be a bother to a non-muslim. I am sure god is not that stupid that he would reward anything to fanatics blowing up kids in pizza parlours and temples. These terrorists need to explained that but not from a non-muslim. But from muslims themselves.
Chaltahai: No terrorist will get anything other then what he deserves. Who is going to hell or heaven, that is up to Allah (swt) to decide based on the individual. He is the best judge. Afterall, His decision won't be influenced by neither Bush, nor the Palistinians.
About the hoors, i think i was incorrect about the idea anyway, so lets just stop there. The kids are probably stuck in a limbo between hell and heaven......j/k
The reason i asked why it should bother a non-muslim, was because i can't understand why they take offence when they dont' beleive it to be true in the first place. I mean for example; a christian tells me i'm going straight to hell because i don't beleive that Jesus died for our sins, well me personally, i would laugh it off. I wouldn't get offended because inside me I know that what I beleive in is the truth and hopefully it'll lead me where i want. Abit off track, but that was the point i tried to make earlier...
Dear Ana,
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to insult. Definately I agree, I am way nuttier. For Sure. I just can't agree that our God would be hard on an innocent child.
AvgGirl
Kenny?
I wouldn't laugh off your belief either.
The only believes I laugh off (or don't laught off) are those I find morally wrong.
I believe God showed himself in different ways to different peoples. And the way he was shown to you.. yourself, and the way you..yourself believe in him is correct.
I don't believe there is a right or wrong way to believe in Allah.
AvgGirl
Kenny: I am not concerend in the least if a muslim tells me that I will be going to hell. I am concerned that a muslim thinks he is going to heaven by kiiling pilgrims in kashmir or killing jewish children in pizza parlors. The latter supposedly makes it ok per god to kill others for some deranged cause. I do not think god is that stupid and to extrapolate further, any suggestion that god would deny entry into the same heaven for the victims of such murderous acts is ridiculous and makes god a complete idiot.
If you peacefulluy believe in your religion than fine. IF you want to tell me that I am going to hell, fine. But don't lob grenades into my house kill my family based on some divine principle and on top of that tell me that my fallen family members are going to hell. That is offensive!!!!
I hope I was clear.
all children-believers children or disbelievers children- will go to heaven regardless of whether they killed themselves.
also i must say that i dnt believe in this concept of "suicide bombers" these people are martyrs they are in jihad they are struggling and fighting for their people in the best way they know how.
also pyaricudia- how can u say that u dnt care and that these ppl should get an education, i mean how can they when the israelis abuse them 24/7 and bombard into their homes and wrongly accuse them of God knows what! these israelis kill the men and boys so that a new genration of palestinian muslims cannot be brought in to this world so that their land is free. these people are trying to protect their families- brothers tyring to save their sisters from rape- their homes whihc are getting destroyed by israeli tanks, do you really think that the first and foremost thing in their mind is going to be EDUCATION!
the situation would not be so bad if other muslims in power would get off their asses and help these poor people!! no these muslims are too busy lickin Bush's aas!
what is happening in Palestine is called ETHNIC CLEANSING. when our muslim brothers hurt no matter where they are we must all feel their pain as we are one ummah, just as Allah subhanawata'allah has said,
if one part of the mulim ummah pains it is like the whole ummah is suffering!
all children end up in Paradise..doesnt matter if the child is hindu, budhist, christian, jews, sikh, muslim ...whatever... ..etc