I apologize for moving away from the topic, but I felt the need of sharing a perspective here, which can be totally wrong.
Muslims do consider their religion not just a religion but a "complete way of life", due to which it is not possible for them to make a decision in life without consulting or considering a religious perspective as well. Having said that, Islam doesn't stop us from thinking logically and scientifically. Depending upon the time and age, Islam gives us a direction and allow us to think reasonably with the use of technology whether it is medical or any other field.
It is a clear misunderstanding here between two of our respected members, where both of them are right at their own place. It becomes easier for us to understand our opponents if we place ourselves in the place of our opponent, this is what I have learned from a lot of good members on this forum.
I might be wrong. Allah knows BEST. May Allah (swt) bless us all with wisdom and help us in learning.
Thanks for clarification Submission.
I love to read your post.
I don't know why ppl become so angry when we talk what we know from our quran. If they don't know or don't understand by being non muslim or non religious muslim why they try to stop other. I just posted my veiw. He was n't suppose to say that.
Afsos I can't explain everything to him by quran cause there are matters which I don't want to talk about in front of male.
He didn't answer my question..............What is his religion??????????
Guys please try to stick to the topic instead of steering away from it. ShiningStar and Your president please drop this discussion in this thread and if you wish to discuss it any further feel free to open a new thread. I can move back your posts to it if you wish.
ShiningStar, Your President's religion has nothing to do with this discussion. Thanks.
As for the scenario presented, Amen to Submission to Peace.
Icono most people will go ahead and say they would never leave their partner. The real test is when God forbid someone is faced with such a tough situation. Any statements made prior to that are all idealistic. Additionally someone who is already married may be able to give a relatively realistic reply as opposed to someone who is not even in a relationship and taking this entire scenario hypothetically.
Are you waiting for enough replies before you put forth a theory or something? Any particular point to the thread? Just wondering.
I am not disagreeing with that... I am disagreeing with the fact its suicide. Yes, unprotected sex is suicide, but taking precautions is not.
I agree that protected sex with an HIV infected person is not suicide. However, I doubt someone will get pregnant through protected sex. So when I talk about a person's basic right to have children, it requires unprotected sex (or IVF). To do that with an HIV infected person is similar to injecting yourself with a fatal disease. I doubt it makes sense or is permissible. Thus my statement that as much as one loves his/her spouse, pls do not commit suicide. Of course if having kids is not important to you (or not as important) and you want to stick it out with your HIV infected spouse, more power to you.
Life isnt rose coloured at all.. marriage presents itself with many hurdles. If people have said that they would stick it out with their spouse, we should just acknowledge that rather than say that when the time comes, we might change our mind.... For me, I know i will stick by thick and thin... and i dont need to prove it to anyone except for my spouse
For those who are in a relationship and know the challenges and compromises it takes, its fine to make sweeping statements about how we will stick through thick and thin. Its actually very cute. For those who have not been in any serious relationship and their awareness is based on Harelequin and Mills & Boon, may be not so much. No way am I discouraging people from standing by their spouse in such heart-rendering situations, I am just cautioning them not to be snooty, if someone decides not to stick it out. Thats all. None of these decisions are easy or clear-cut. And life is not a computer game of chess, where you can just re-do your choices.
Icono most people will go ahead and make tall claims about how they would never leave their partner. The real test is when God forbid someone is faced with such a tough situation. Any statements made prior to that are all idealistic. Additionally someone who is already married may be able to give a relatively realistic reply as opposed to someone who is not even in a relationship and taking this entire scenario hypothetically.
Are you waiting for enough replies before you put forth a theory or something? Any particular point to the thread? Just wondering.
Though its hypothetical, many people are faced with such situation in real life.
you cannot give a true answer to this question. only people who are actually in that situation would be able to tell you the truth. now, we may claim we would stay true to them but who knows...
Main to hargiz naheen choroon gi........agar.............uska rawwaiya meray saath achcha tha to.................aur agar main baqi sub kuch bardasht kar saki to..........naheen to quran ijazat deta hai alaihidgi ka..........agar kisi soorat na bun sakay to.
Her kaam main Allah ki maslayhat aur azmaish hoti hai........agar hum bardasht karain aur kisi kay liaay apnay aap ko mita kar kisi kay liaay waqf kar dain to Allah is ka sila day ga.
To yay munhassir hai aap kay sabr ar bardasht pay..........agar aap bardasht naheen kar saktay to gunah main doobnay kay bajaay main tarjeeh doon gi alaihdgi ko.......jaisa kay quran ijazat deta hai.
Zuban say kahna asan hota hai laikin bardasht karna mushkil.
Marriage is supposedly a sacred bond between couples and they vowe to stick together through thick and thin. Accidents,diseases ,unfortunate events all are part of the life and if one is entering in a relationship just to share the good times and sayonara in the bad times then it might just take very little to break the marriage. It is not such a hypothetical situation. Many couples stick together when one of the partner have some sort of mishap.For example (Although not aids but challanging none the less) the late Christopher reeves and Diana reeves, Stewen hawkins and his wife and I am sure there are countless other exemples out there. I feel only in a loveless marriage where a partner would leave the other for a medical condition. PPl are bringing religion into the topic and suggesting that it is ok to leave your spouse if they have a medical condition as per religion. Frankly it sounds very strange and it is beyond me because religions usually preach humanity and love.