Re: World Renowned atheist says he believes in God!
You don’t believe in a soul?
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oh good for him that he doesnt believe in the God of organized religions.
well comparing it to saddam hussain IS a racist and disgusting comment.....
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Ahh…for a sec I thought you were supporting this git’s bigoted views…
Now, considering the conceptualizations of God originate from organized religion (Islam is organized.. lol…disorganized is more accurate…), what other God is there?
I mean, it’s a bit wishy washy to write God off as some kind of unknowable anonymous “force”…and this whole get to know God through the self bit is just way too ego-driven…
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if a top dog atheist can reach God through science, why cant the ordinary human being? its true that he is bigoted in his views but he recognizes the signs of God in the complexities of things. and we dont need a very extensive knowledge of DNA etc to see that. a normal person should be able to see that too IMO.
and organized religion has the whole “relativity factor” built into it. if u recognize and love your creator and humanity (and as i said before God can be seen in complexities of life and doing good to humanity is also very obvious “treat others the way YOU want to be treated”) u should be fine…now organized religion has been used for a very long time to do the Opposite, kill and create differences.
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the topic of the title is not top athiest becomes muslim it simply says the guy who is a professor of science is probably the worlds most renowned Athiest who has been refuting the concept of god for majority of his life now has changed his mind and says there is a god simple is’nt it, athiests take a step back because your main man just did 
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Aren’t we in danger of making scientists (who are no darlings themselves) into a new class of priest then?
Anyway, here’s my train (wreck) of thought on the matter:
I understand where he is coming from. There is so much complexity in the universe, it almost requires us to jump through hoops to ignore God…I mean, consider evolution. Any and all questions about why things turned out the way they did yield the same lame response: given enough time, anything is possible in a random system. Smacks of a silver bullet response…too unthinking for my liking…
So then, having accepted God we need to ask what kind of God? A God who doesn’t want to be known, an impersonal God? A God who doesn’t want to communicate with us is no different (from our point of view) than a God that simply isn’t there. I won’t bother considering that possibility for that reason…may as well be an atheist if this is the case…
So how would God communicate with us? Through the imperfections of nature? Maybe…but then…that’s hardly a communication…that’s simply a presence. What does God want? Nothing? Leads to the point above…why bother with God then?
Maybe God wants us to simply be “good”…but let’s be honest…that is such a relative concept it’s useless…and the golden rule (do unto others, etc…) fails miserably when one group is hell bent on not following it…this happens to be the early Muslim experience and is a fundamental part of the Islamic narrative…that one hand clapping in fact makes no noise…
I don’t think we are divine or a part of the divine…things would be obvious then. I don’t think our universe resides inside God, such that by observing nature we get to know God. Whole whack of problems with that…finite universe implies limitation…and big time self-referential problems from a creationist point of view. So, I’m not really inclined to the point of view that science can show us the way to the divine…perhaps hint at the obvious, or to trigger our instincts…but nothing more.
I do think the message is in fact simple, and that to understand the nature of God it has to be revealed to us from the outside in such a way it’s deeply personal…and coherent. I’m not talking about a warm fuzzy feeling…I’m talking about a intelligible presence. Anything less would be…well…too little to think about.
Instinctivley, I don’t want to feel good or get a buzz…I want something with the potency and impact of THE Truth…capital ‘t’…fall down on your knees, shivering and sobbing at the extent of it’s fearsome magnificance kind of Truth.
Anything else would be just an exercise in stroking my own ego…I can do that thousands of different ways…don’t need to bring God into that…
Well, organized religion gets a bum wrap for that…are you willing to do away entirely with your desi identity? How about your American citizenship? They’re just as entrenched and “organized” as religion…I’d argue they’ve been far, far more destructive.
But, I digress…the concept of “humanity” is a biological one…and has no emotional or political currency amongst human kind. I wish it were as simple as all people getting along…or failing that just leaving each other alone…just doesn’t happen. I’ve given up on that…
What we don’t need is a heirarchy of middle men…but we do need revelation…a single messenger is enough, thanks…
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well picoico relativity applies to religion as well. most people grow up surrounded by like-minded, like-thinking people and believe what their parents told them. As per their experiences/culture they take it to be the ultimate truth. so i dont see how religion can dictate what God wants us to do…example? a scripture tells one group of people to spread their religion and persecute those that try to leave it. this group sure feels it is doing what they should to please God.
and I can clap with one hand 
u can too if u hold your wrist still and whack your four fingers to the palm…try it 
thats not fair. a man arriving at his interpretation of God through science probably went through a personal experience and realized his majesty too, in a different way maybe. It would seem to me that the more you observe the complexity of things (the way Science tears apart matter and explains it and arrives to new complex matter), the more one would be in awe of God and praise and love him. my point is if all paths lead to the same God, then what does it matter what path someone took?
i agree…
what do you think is the cause of success of mankind? constant Struggle or giving up?
i agree. When i read about the life of Prophet Muhammad I think , hey if all this man wanted was fame and power, he had all of arab at his feet ready to make him a king, but he chose to live a simple and modest life, which makes it obvious his intentions were pure…but a pure man that existed hundred’s of years ago, i dont know if his message wasnt messed with by those that were left behind after he passed away.
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how many times are you going to repeat yourself?
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Does the truth hurt oh well i won’t say sorry because then i would be lying and that is haram 
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So it means Allah is the one who is responsible for leading some of us Astray.
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No you have the choice of that yourself just like you have the choice to drink glass of water which is permitted or drink alcohol which is haram.
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no i just said u dont have to say the same thing again and again. loses value.
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Not at all people try to divert topic, it started of with Worlds top athiest change mind and belives in god and some secular/ athiest people twisting it into story about oh he is’nt muslim which is not the point of the topic anyway!
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Who blaming allah(swt) and for what their are certain things which are in your control i.e the example of drinking water or alcohol . Then there are other things which are not in your control i.e truck hitting and killing individual.
there are these 2 spheres one which you have choice and control and this you will be judged on. The other other sphere which you can’t control because it is beyond your capability as a limited human being you can’t be punished for or judged on as you had no choice on that matter.
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Quote (Allah guides whom he wills, and Leads astray whom he wills.)
If Allah is the one leading me to astray do you think I can go against His will.
(As you said ....not in your control......)
And do you think I can control His will. No
Then when I can not control and go against His will, I am doomed to hell, because He is the one who is leading me there.
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I think this guy took one step towards sanity. But he seems far away from being sensible.
Some people are missing that he also mentioned that his idea of God is far away from christianity and used Saddam Hussain analogy for BOTH christianity and islamic God.
Read again:
"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."
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Actually when you quoting ayah from quran you should also study the tafseer so you will see the context and what subject matter the ayah is refering to.
from the tafsir i have read on this ayah, Allah lead astray whom He wills, … for when the truth is brought up some people dislike it, and so it sends them astray… and He guides whom He wills; … Others hold on to belief and it becomes a guidance for them. For guiding and leading astray are not matters of compulsion, but mean that sending down a ayah or explaining an ordinance causes people either to be guided or to go astray, it being a test
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true dat :), it quite amazing really for a person to change their ideas is the most difficult task, especially for a person who was at forefront of refuting an idea for decades in which now he has changed his mind !
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I see, I got it now,
Its like The hadith once I heard in my schooling. it goes somewhat like this…
If you call on Allah Once He call at you 10 times, if you come one step closer he comes 10. and if you go towards him walking he comes to you running.
Notice Here that YOU are the "Initiator’ all the time.
You accept him, He guides You. You reject him, He rejects you.
Thankyou ak47:kaboom: for the answer and explanation.