World rallies against war

San Francisco anti-war demonstration draws more than 150,000](http://www.canada.com/news/story.asp?id={9EC0C929-4353-4B2B-9D0B-D76E505A0D41}) Canadian Press

Sunday, February 16, 2003

SAN FRANCISCO (CP) - More than 150,000 people hit the streets of San Francisco on Sunday to join the voices around the world this weekend protesting a possible U.S. invasion of Iraq. Demonstrators had postponed their event one day to make way for the city’s popular Chinese New Year parade and celebration. But the delay didn’t hamper turnout, which appeared to swell throughout the day.

**“Finally it seems there is a worldwide movement saying this is obviously a catastrophic path we’re on,” said Deborah Hoffmann, 55, part of a Jewish women’s group at the rally. “And now everybody is out in the streets.” A steady stream of chanting, sign-waving protesters filled 12 large city blocks stretching from the waterfront to City Hall. Police estimated the crowd at 150,000 people. Other estimates claimed 250,000. **

Protesters, including actor Danny Glover, writer Alice Walker and singers Bonnie Raitt and Joan Baez, tied the San Francisco event to a worldwide series of demonstrations held Saturday around the world. ** “We know that we have not been shown enough evidence for a pre-emptive strike,” said Raitt said. “There are a million people around the globe who have shown they feel the same way.”**

“She has no food, no medicine, no running water and what are they going to do? Bomb them again, for no reason.”

NZers out in force to oppose war](Stuff) Stuff National News, New Zealand

**Tens of thousands of New Zealanders took to the streets at the weekend as part of worldwide action in opposition to a possible war on Iraq. In a campaign of protests planned in 350 towns and cities worldwide, demonstrations were organised in 20 New Zealand centres to opposethe war-talk of United States President George W Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair. About 10,000 marched in Auckland, 7000 in Wellington, 3000 in Dunedin and 2000 attended a rally in Christchurch.

In Auckland on Saturday, a plane towed a Greenpeace banner saying, “No War, Peace Now” in clear skies above the America’s Cup yachts before racing began and before the lunchtime Queen St march.** March organisers, from the umbrella group Global Peace and Justice Auckland (GPJA), estimated the turnout at 8000 to 10,000 people. The police estimate was higher, at 12,000 to 15,000. The protest attracted a cross-section of people and age groups, individuals and members of organisations including unions and left-wing, religious, women’s and pro-Palestinian groups.

Protesters chanted “Peace, peace, peace, no war” to the beat of drums and tambourines, and many danced their way from the start of the march at Queen Elizabeth II Square up to Myers Park about 1km away, where they heard speeches from GPJA spokesman John Minto and others. One of the marchers, Tony Moqdad, of Meadowbank in Auckland, who shifted to New Zealand in 1987, said his mother lived in Baghdad. "She has no food, no medicine, no running water and what are they going to do? Bomb them again, for no reason.

“Have people lost their humanity? Everywhere, people are starting to say no to this war.” Mr Moqdad’s five-year-old son, Ouday, sat in his pushchair during the march holding a cardboard sign with the scrawled message: “Mr Bush is going to kill my Nana”. He wrote part of it himself, his mother, Fleur Moqdad, said.

“That’s what he wanted to say.” For some marchers, such as George Armstrong, aged 71, the demonstration was a re-run of history. The first anti-war march the St John’s College theologian took part in was also on Queen St but was in the 1960s, against the Vietnam War. He also participated in anti-nuclear protests. “The people for war want us to think it cannot be stopped, but that’s nonsense,” Dr Armstrong said. **“War in Iraq would be destructive. Even this idea of short, sharp, successful wars is nonsense. It’s playing God with people’s lives.”

Mr Minto told the crowd at Myers Park that President Bush might have the numbers in the corporate board rooms, but with the worldwide protests, “the international community is saying ‘No’.” “Bush, Blair and (Australian Prime Minister John) Howard are an isolated minority against the weight of opinion of people all around this world.” In Christchurch, Peggy Allan, 72, and the granddaughter of an American, said she had lived through World War 2 and the Vietnam War, but never felt the need to protest.**

This war was different, she said. **“Bush? I think he’s brainless, an uneducated oaf.” Christchurch Mayor Garry Moore and representatives of the Alliance were amongst the crowd. Co-organiser Daniel Rae said Christchurch’s reputation as a conservative city could be about to change. “A lot of people are opposed to the motives of this war. Oil is the big thing behind it all really.” **

Egyptian immigrant Ola Kamel, spokesperson for the Muslim Association of Canterbury, said war was an outdated and barbaric notion. “The US will be conquerers, not liberators.” Greens co-leader Rod Donald said the war had to be stopped for the sake of children. "We don’t want our kids to grow up in the aftermath of World War 3

And look what’s happening to Blair’s popularity as he dares to ignore the majority of the British people in their opposition to the war on Iraq.

Blair’s popularity plummets](Blair's popularity plummets | UK news | The Guardian)

And another American ally is having exactly the same trouble…

**Supporters desert Aznar as Spaniards reject conflict **](Supporters desert Aznar as Spaniards reject conflict | World news | The Guardian)

DhP, 5Abi, and Malik :k: :k: You guys are awesome. Thank you for posting each of the articles, as well as images.

Casualty of war: in 15 months the prime minister’s rating has fallen 62 points, Alan Travis
The Guardian, 18 February 2003

And an excellent article regarding the marches in London, by Madeleine Bunting of the Guardian:

…] This was a day which confounded dozens of assumptions about our age. How much harder it is today than a week ago to speak of the apathy and selfish individualism of consumer society. Saturday brought the entire business of a capital city to a glorious full-stop. Not a car or bus moved in central London, the frenetic activities of shopping and spending halted across a wide swathe of the city; the streets became one vast vibrant civic space for an expression of national solidarity. Furthermore, unlike previous occasions when crowds have gathered, this was not to mark some royal pageantry, but to articulate an unfamiliar British sentiment - one of democratic entitlement: we are the people.

…] Not one bomb has been dropped on Iraq, not one shot fired and already there has been the biggest global protest movement ever seen. What happens once the orphans, the widowed and the killed appear on our screens? Then, the stubbornness will become anger. We said No, Not in our Names and we meant it. Blair will never be forgiven. A tragic end to a good prime minister who was swept to power on a promise that “things will only get better”.

Source: We are the people, 17 February 2003

My selective excerpts:

The mother of all demonstrations, IPS News Agency, 13 February 2003

…] London is leading the way in Europe. Close to a million are expected to join the London demonstration. Only a week ago Stop the War Coalition was expecting half a million. More than 450 organisations are joining the demonstration, along with 11 parties, which include the Liberal Democrats, the rising third force in British politics (after Labour and the Conservatives).

At their little office in Brick Lane in London’s East End, Stop the War Coalition is barely able to handle what it started only a few months back. The U.S. stand on Iraq has divided European governments as never before, and it has united millions of people in Europe as never before. Anti-war groups are not calling these the February 15 rallies any more; they speak of this now as ”mobilisation”.

In France, Belgium and Germany, street muscle is for once in line with government policy. In Paris up to 200,000 had been expected to join the demonstration. ”But it now seems that the number could be higher,” a spokesman for the anti-war alliance told IPS. At least 100,000 are expected to demonstrate in Berlin. A massive demonstration has been planned in Brussels. Many of the demonstrations in Europe have been organised by the Platform Against War on Iraq comprising 170 non-governmental organisations.

Across the rest of Europe, opinion polls show public in open conflict with governments backing the U.S., particularly in Britain, Italy and Spain. Polls indicate the highest opposition to war in Sweden, Greece and Germany. The degree of opposition to war has wavered over past weeks. But opinion polls indicated it was rising after what most people found to be an unconvincing plea by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell in the United Nations.

A British government dossier on Iraq supposedly compiled from intelligence reports was found to have been plagiarised substantially from an essay posted on the web by a 29-year-old Californian. This added to the simmering anger. The anti-war group acknowledges its debt. “Our best recruiting agents have been Bush and Blair,” says Andrew Murray who heads the anti-war coalition in Britain.

Representatives from dozens of U.S. cities that have passed resolutions opposing a war on Iraq are trying to meet President Bush and deliver their message first-hand. Over just a few weeks the number of these cities has risen from less than 50 to 83, according to the website citiesforpeace.org. That growth mirrors the blossoming of an anti-war movement in North America. “This is the biggest peace movement we’ve had since Vietnam,” says Josh Matlow, national campaign organiser of the Canadian Peace Alliance. “I’m getting calls from animal rights groups, energy groups and others not usually associated with the peace movement. I’m getting hundreds of calls a day.”

Hundreds of thousands are expected to join the anti-war rally Saturday in New York city. City authorities have refused to allow demonstrators to march past the United Nations headquarters. The rally is being organised by United for Peace and Justice, an umbrella body of 70 groups formed late last year to oppose the war. The group is being supported by Not in Our Name, whose ‘Pledge of Resistance’ has been printed in dozens of newspapers around the world. An estimated 200,000 people are believed to have joined demonstrations held in San Francisco and Washington January 18. The rally on Saturday is expected to draw many more people, and more determined people.

“The last thing I want to do is get in the way of a working person trying to get to work,” says Leone Reinbold, a veteran of civil disobedience protests. “But when 200,000 people marching in the streets doesn’t get people’s attention in Washington, this is our last resort.”

Palestinians and Israelis are being asked to come together to demonstrate against war plans. Israeli organisations backing the call include the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, Taayush-Arab Jewish Partnership, The Alternative Information Centre and the Coalition of Women for Peace. Several busloads of demonstrators are expected to arrive in Tel Aviv. Anti-war protests have been planned in many Asian countries on Saturday. Groups opposing war have been making calls like “Stop the War, Demonstrate Saturday” to draw people to rallies. “Wake up, USA, Wake up Japan, and Wake Up Our Soul,” says one group in Tokyo calling on people to come out to protest.

More than 50 civil society groups have backed a rally at a local park in Bangkok. The demonstrators plan to march to the U.S. embassy in Bangkok. “War is an ineffective way to deal with weapons of mass destruction,” says Greenpeace South-east Asia which is joining the demonstration. Stop the War Coalition has called on people to join the protests in Kuala Lumpur outside the U.S. embassy. Many activists have launched a signature campaign in Malaysia against a war on Iraq.

Non-governmental organisations, intellectuals and leftist parties throughout Latin America are rallying forces to boost attendance at the global day of anti-war protests Saturday, while their governments take a more cautious stance. In Argentina, associations of mothers and grandmothers of those who disappeared during the 1976-1983 dictatorship have attacked Washington for “trying to impose its hegemony over the rest of the world at any cost.”

The women are planning to join the march along with local artists, journalists and members of human rights groups. The anti-war march in Buenos Aires will end outside the U.S. embassy. In Mexico, Nobel Peace laureate Rigoberta Menchú told IPS that “the most important thing about the peace movement is that for the first time in the history of war, the political, academic, human rights and civil society worlds are united around the planet to reject war.” A large rally has been planned for Saturday through downtown Mexico City.

Brazil is also seeing preparations for anti-war demonstrations Saturday. The Rio Peace Committee, which includes the Brazilian Press Association, leftist parties, trade unions and the MST (landless farmers movement), is organising a march through the main avenue in the Copacabana neighbourhood. Activists in Brazil are also calling for a one-day boycott of products and services of companies based in the United States or any other country whose government supports war against Iraq.

The anti-war movement in Venezuela is organising a march through Caracas under the slogan “Not a drop of Venezuelan oil for the war”, says Sergio Sánchez, of Utopía, a political group. Peace organisations in Chile are pressing the government of Ricardo Lagos to stand up to the United States and insist on pursuing all diplomatic means possible to prevent a military attack on Iraq.

Any idea of when there are going to be anti-Saddam protests?

^ How about the second that he starts to kill more Iraqi civilians than Bush&Blair already have?

This is a slightly old article, but gives an indication of how many protests were planned as well as in which countries. Note the estimated number for the London turn-out was far short of the actual mark.
**10 million join world protest rallies - From Africa to Antarctica, people prepare to march for peace**
John Vidal, The Guardian , 13 February 2003

Up to 10 million people on five continents are expected to demonstrate against the probable war in Iraq on Saturday, in some of the largest peace marches ever known.

Yesterday, up to 400 cities in 60 countries, from Antarctica to Pacific islands, confirmed that peace rallies, vigils and marches would take place. Of all major countries, only China is absent from the growing list which includes more than 300 cities in Europe and north America, 50 in Asia and Latin America, 10 in Africa and 20 in Australia and Oceania.

Thanks Nadia :k:

Anti-War Marches in Four Cities, SA Sends Mission to Iraq](South Africa: Anti-War Marches in Four Cities, SA Sends Mission to Iraq) All Africa News 17 Feb 03

Johannesburg

Thousands of anti-war protestors in South Africa joined marches around the world on Saturday to protest against the prospective war on Iraq spearheaded by the United States and Britain. Peaceful marchers took to the streets of the commercial capital, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Durban and Bloemfontein, stopping at American embassies and diplomatic missions in these cities in solidarity with millions of protestors on other continents.

In Johannesburg, between 8,000 and 10,000 people toyi-toyied and marched in a colourful anti-war demonstration, stopping at the US consulate-general to hand over a manifesto. Riot police guarding the building formed a protective chain at the entrance. One protestor in Johannesburg waved a banner saying “Bush, unshackle the world with your arrogance, now”.

The Anti-War Coalition, which organised the rallies - in alliance with the Stop the War campaign of the Congress of South African Trades Unions (Cosatu) - announced that it opposed the US-led war plans for Iraq as well as any action proposed by the United Nations. Prominent politicians from South Africa’s governing African National Congress (ANC) joined the marches, where banners reading “By George, Bush is just an empty warhead” and “Stop the War America, UK and Israel,” "Blix, start searching Israel,"were hoisted high above protestors’ heads.

"We will stop the war. The voice of the people will be heard, " the South African Water Affairs and Forestry Minister, Ronnie Kasrils, told the crowd in Cape Town. Other placards focused squarely on the American and British leaders saying “Bush and Blair are Blood Brothers”, “Behind Every Bush is a Terrorist”, “Disarm the warmongers too”, and “US, UK, Israel - axis of hypocrisy”. Protestors chanted “No blood for oil” and “Quit the oil war”, as they waved banners saying “Bush, declare your weapons of mass destruction”.

Demonstrators were told that war on Iraq was not an answer and had little to do with weapons of mass destruction or human rights. Speaker after speaker repeated that the conflict was more about President Saddam Hussein’s control of Iraq’s strategic oil reserves. The mass media were also not to be trusted, because they were a “weapon of mass deception”, other speakers said.

Anti-war sentiment in South Africa appears to be gathering steam and the leadership in Pretoria has moved centre stage in the diplomatic efforts to avert a war on Iraq. On Sunday, President Bush’s national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, dismissed the global anti-war fervour. She warned that Washington was losing patience with the diplomatic initiatives to force Iraq to disarm.

“It is time for this to end. Enough is enough,” said Rice. “We don’t want a (UN) Security Council resolution that somehow is a delaying tactic. The Security council cannot continue on this path for much longer.” President Thabo Mbeki announced last week that he was dispatching a team of technical experts to Iraq, to share South Africa’s own experience of weapons’ disarmament. The move appeared to have the tacit support and blessing of the UN secretary general, Kofi Annan, and the weapons’ inspectors. The Iraqi leader appears to have accepted the South African mission.

The example of Pretoria dismantling its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons has received high praise from the chief UN weapons inspector, Hans Blix. Mbeki is the current chairman of both the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) and the African Union (AU). The South African deputy foreign minister, Aziz Pahad, returned from a mission to Baghdad last week. He held a 90-minute meeting with the Iraqi president.

The South African president is preparing to leave for France this week, where he will attend the Franco-African summit to be hosted by President Jacques Chirac on Thursday and Friday. Iraq is expected to feature high on the summit agenda, as is the conflict in Cote d’Ivoire. France is leading the anti-Iraq war effort in Europe.

"I believe our experts will be able to help the Iraqis and make a contribution to avoiding a war, " said Pahad, adding, “we will urge the Iraqi leadership to cooperate.” The minister said a war on Iraq would have long-term economic and security consequences that would be disastrous. Other South African commentators have echoed that the price of war on Iraq, and its consequences, would condemn Africa to a deep economic crisis.

The South African team, which Mbeki said would leave soon on its mission to Iraq, is to be made up of scientists, engineers and technicians involved in South Africa’s weapons’ programme. “We had one of the most advanced chemical and biological programmes in the world,” Pahad underlined in a briefing for journalists in Cape Town. “We don’t want people with only a book knowledge of these things. They must have direct experience of dismantling these programmes.”

Blair may end up just like George Bush Snr whose ratings plummeted from 92% to 37% in a year, even though he “won” the first Gulf war.

‘To us, Resolution 1441 was and still is about ensuring that Iraq is peacefully disarmed," he told the Security Council.’

UN countries speak out against war](http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/02/19/un_debate030219) CBC News 19 Feb 03

NEW YORK - The opposition to the U.S. and Britain’s planned war on Iraq continued at the United Nations on Tuesday, with dozens of countries saying they oppose a war. More than 60 nations that don’t sit on the UN Security Council expressed their views in a debate that began Tuesday and will continue on Wednesday. Diplomats from the U.S. and U.K. said a second resolution is likely to be presented shortly after the open meeting ends late on Wednesday.

RELATED STORY: Blair faces stiff opposition on Iraq position
South Africa’s ambassador to the UN, Duminsano Kumalo, spoke on behalf of his own country and as the chair of the 115 non-aligned countries. “To us, Resolution 1441 was and still is about ensuring that Iraq is peacefully disarmed,” he told the Security Council. It was Kumalo who had insisted this debate take place so that all countries could be heard.

“We believe that resorting to war without fully exhausting all other options represents an admission of failure by the Security Council in carrying out its mandate of maintaining international peace and security,” said Kumalo. Most of the ambassadors who spoke on Tuesday expressed similar views. Kuwait was one of the exceptions. “It is regrettable that Iraq continues to challenge the will of the international community for so long without fully realizing the repercussions and the gravity of such policies on the whole stability of the Gulf region,” said Kuwaiti ambassador Mansoor al-Otaibi.

War would be a nightmare scenario: Iran
The speakers on Tuesday also included the ambassador from Iran, one of the members of U.S. President George Bush’s “axis of evil.” Iran and Iraq fought a bitter, eight-year war. Iran’s ambassador said tens of thousands of Iranians still suffer the effects of Iraq’s chemical weapons. But Javad Zarif warned the Security Council that an attack on Iraq by the Americans could be a nightmare for the region.

“We have an unparalleled interest in ensuring that never again in our neighbourhood there will be an aggression or the use of weapons of mass destruction,” said Zarif. He said a war in the Gulf region would produce a humanitarian catastrophe and would destabilize the region. He said there is only one certainly in the event of a war in the Gulf.

“Extremism stands to benefit enormously from an uncalculated adventure in Iraq. The prospect of appointing a foreign military commander to run an Islamic and Arab country is all the more destabilizing and only indicative of the prevailing delusions,” said Zarif. Although the U.S. has assured Iran that it wouldn’t use an occupied Iraq as a base for attacks against Iran, the Iranian government clearly has its doubts.

Zarif said the U.S. has become the nation of the pre-emptive strike. He said the UN must remain the decision-making body in any conflict in Iraq. Canada is due to speak on the Iraq issue on Wednesday. Yesterday in the House of Commons, Jean Chrétien indicated Canada has not been asked and does not intend to participate in an unsanctioned attack on Iraq.

Ahhh,

Maybe we should temper our enthusiasm a bit! Looks like those estimates may be as much as three times too high!

Photos show 65,000 at peak of S.F. rally
Aerial study casts doubt on estimates of 200,000

Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Staff Writer Friday, February 21, 2003


San Francisco – A survey using sophisticated aerial photography of Sunday’s anti-war march and rally in San Francisco has produced results that indicate a far smaller crowd than the 200,000 protesters estimated by police and event organizers.

The results of the independent survey, commissioned by The Chronicle and SFGate.com, cast doubt on traditional counting methods and contradict the crowd estimate of 200,000, which was reported in this newspaper and news media around the world.

**Crowd size in a demonstration is important because organizers tend to use it as evidence of support for their cause. ** http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/02/21/MN240732.DTL

OG, like it or not Millions of people demonstrated against war in almost every nation on Earth. Africa has also given full backing to President Chiracs stand on Iraq. :k:

Africa backs France’s anti-war stance](http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=3&art_id=qw1045796221849B216&set_id=1) IOL, 21 Feb 03

Paris - French and African leaders on Friday were to wrap-up a two-day summit, focused on Paris’s special partnership with the continent, after forming a united front against United States calls for war in Iraq. Africa’s full endorsement of French President Jacques Chirac’s position on the Iraq crisis came amid a firestorm of controversy over the participation of Zimbabwe’s authoritarian President Robert Mugabe in the biennial gathering.

The 52 African nations attending the 22nd Franco-African summit, which opened on Thursday, backed France’s call for continued and intensified United Nations weapons inspections in Iraq and urged Baghdad to show active co-operation. “There is an alternative to war,” the nations said in a joint declaration. “The use of force, which entails serious risks of destabilisation for the region, for Africa and the world, should only be a last resort.”

Chirac had obtained a waiver to an EU travel ban on the Zimbabwean leader France insists that stepping up inspections under UN Security Council Resolution 1441 is the best way to ensure Iraq’s disarmament, but the US is pushing for a second resolution that would authorise military action.Angola, Cameroon and Guinea, which are represented at the Paris summit, are currently non-permanent members of the Security Council. France is a permanent Council member with veto-wielding power.

Yes, but it looks like "official estimates" may be three times too high.

So if claims of ten million were made, it may really be three and one half million.

And PLEASE don't bring up CHIRAC's position. How nauseating.

With the logic used here the 99.5 % of the worlds people who did not protest must agree, accept the french thank god.

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*Originally posted by Ex-Army: *
With the logic used here the 99.5 % of the worlds people who did not protest must agree
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No it is for you to prove that those people who were not demonstrating 'support' this war? I have asked you repeatedly to prove this and to date you have failed. So please tell us how you come to the conclusion that those who did not attend those demonstrations support this war. For example:-

Have they done this through own demonstrations in support of this war?

Have they voted in referendums or specific votes (on this issue) in assemblies by their elected representatives?

Have you got any opinion polls to show us that people in these countries e.g. the UK, Australia, Italy, Spain etc support this war?

Let's see your proof?

Note those tens of millions that came to the streets to demonstrate against this war resulted in the biggest demonstrations in the history of countries like Great Britain, Australia, Italy and Spain - so called allies of the US. Consider that before you provide the proff to back up your so far unproven claims...

Tens of millions, lets exaggerate a bit here. What do I have too prove, .03% of the world population made fools of themselves? I meant voiced an opinion. The referendums are in place through UN resolutions and congressional backing. So the simple fact is silence has spoken far louder than a handful of the world’s population marching in the streets.

So you have the burden of proof that these people do not support the US in removing Saddam. Don’t say the polls are proof either since that is so lame.

Originally posted by Ex-Army:

No let’s be facutual actually. Read the posts throughout this thread, especially about the millions of people who turned out to protest against this war in countries like the UK, Spain, Italy, and the many millions in dozens of other countries.

We are talking about the WORLD opinion, not just the opinions of some US Congressmen. I asked you to provide the proof and you have utterly failed to, so I will ask you in simpler terms.

Please show us the legislative resolutions in support of this war in the key countries of the world? I’ll give you a head start - to date there has been no vote in the UK parliament on the Iraq issue, and the Australian Senate passed a resolution opposing this war. Now go find some proof..

Have there been demonstrations in support of this war, and in such large numbers as the anti-war marches?

Your government and parties are pretty keen on opinion polls when it suits them, and we have seen proof of poll after poll from country after country opposing this war. In fact the Turkish leader clearly stated the other day that 95% of his people were against this war, and other key leaders have said the same.

While you find any proof that you can muster, chew on this:-

French President Jacques Chirac emerged today from a summit of 52 African countries – including three that hold seats on the U.N. Security Council – with a unanimous endorsement of France’s opposition to U.S.-led military action against Iraq.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44702-2003Feb21.html)

Note - That is 52 countries in Africa who have come out against this war.

Now since these protests started it seems the better 3/4 of EU has backed the US and GB not changed their stance. Now name one country that matters who has due to the protests.

I have no need to prove anything since we as a nation are moving ahead as we have stated we would, with or without. The list of with grows daily. Congress has already given the greenlight, last November or have you let it slip your mind.

Yes it does, in the list of countries that are coming out AGAINST the war and US policies. After the 52 countries of Africa, along with your neighbour to the north Canada, now we have your neighbour to the south:-

Mexico Refuses to Bend to U.S. on Iraq](Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More)

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52 South African countries and Mexico, Canada. Now name one that counts as Russia comes aboard Monday along with the majority of Arab states. Your so funny, 53 countries that have nothing to offer and Canada..