World 'losing against Taliban,' Pakistan's president says

World ‘losing against Taliban,’ Pakistan’s president says

By the CNN Wire Staff

Paris, France (CNN) – The international community is “losing the war against the Taliban,” Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari said Tuesday.
“Above all, this is because we lost the battle of hearts and minds,” Zardari told the French newspaper Le Monde on a visit to Paris.
“The success of the insurgents is to learn how to wait. They have time on their side. It’s our whole approach which is wrong,” the paper quoted him as saying. “The people do not associate the intervention of the coalition with a brighter future.”
Zardari and his entourage were on a plane from Paris to London, England, and not immediately available to confirm the quotes, a representative of the Pakistani Embassy in London told CNN.
The president doubted the Taliban could be defeated by force alone, Le Monde reported.
“The military reinforcements are only a small part of the answer,” he said. “To win the support of the Afghan people, we must bring them economic development and prove that we can not only change their life, but also improve it.”
The United States is leading military efforts against the Taliban in Afghanistan, which neighbors Pakistan.
The new commander there, Gen. David Petraeus, issued new guidelines Sunday for U.S. and allied troops fighting there.
They include: Fight the Taliban “relentlessly.” Don’t tolerate corruption. Drink “lots of tea” with the locals.
In his first major public pronouncement since taking command in early July, Petraeus urged American troops and the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force to learn and adapt to the culture of Afghanistan while battling the Taliban insurgents and their allies.
“The decisive terrain is the human terrain,” Petraeus wrote. “The people are the center of gravity. Only by providing them security and earning their trust and confidence can the Afghan government and ISAF prevail.”
Petraeus led the 2007-2008 campaign to stabilize Iraq after years of insurgent and sectarian warfare following the U.S. invasion of 2003. Some of the steps he took there – ordering troops to work in closely with local allies in outposts close to the people, patrol on foot and without sunglasses and cultivate ties with the local population – are included in Sunday’s four-page order.
“Earn the people’s trust, talk to them, ask them questions and learn about their lives,” he wrote.
Coalition troops should be “a good guest,” learn the local history and “make sure you have the full story.”
“Don’t be a pawn in someone else’s game,” he wrote. “Spend time, listen, consult and drink lots of tea.”
Petraeus called on American and NATO troops to “pursue the enemy relentlessly” and “seek out and eliminate” insurgents who threaten Afghan civilians. But he also urged coalition forces to fight “with discipline” and be careful to avoid civilian casualties.
“If we kill civilians or damage their property in the course of our operations, we will create more enemies than our operations eliminate,” he wrote. “That’s exactly what the Taliban want. Don’t fall into their trap.”
He urged his troops to aggressively fight the Taliban by being “first with the truth,” acknowledging setbacks and failures but highlighting the “extremist” and “oppressive” nature of the enemy. Allied forces should “hang their barbaric actions like millstones around their necks,” he wrote.
And in a country where corruption is endemic, the Petraeus guidelines press allied forces to be mindful of where coalition money goes and to help Afghans “confront, isolate, pressure and defund” crooked elements.
“The Taliban are not the only enemy of the people,” he wrote. “The people are also threatened by inadequate governance, corruption and abuse of power – recruiters for the Taliban.”
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has pledged to root out corruption, and allied troops should “work with our allied partners to help turn his words into reality,” Petraeus added.
Petraeus has taken command at a time when the nearly 9-year-old war is the subject of fierce debate in the United States and in many of the countries that have contributed troops to the mission.
A highly publicized offensive in the southern town of Marjah has turned out to be less fruitful than expected, Petraeus acknowledged in June. Meanwhile, widely reported plans for an offensive in the Taliban heartland of Kandahar have been replaced with a slow buildup of forces around the city in conjunction with Afghan troops.
In addition, the Netherlands finished pulling its troops out of southern Afghanistan’s Uruzgan province Sunday after four years and 24 combat deaths, nearly six months after an impasse over whether to extend their commitment brought down the Dutch government.

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Yup nice agenda to talk about to gain more debt. I wish you all the best with you preparation to the Hell.

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However, what he says is true. The world's blind backing of Karzai and his goon squad regime is simply driving people in Pashtun areas to the Taliban. For the Pashtuns, there was less oppression under the Taliban than under the corrupt warlords installed by karzai as governors, who are interested in nothing but exploiting the people for profit.

A dramatic regime change is needed; the world is clearly not interested though, as demonstrated by the lack of pressure on Karzai following the rigged elections.

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^ For once, you should admit that we need to stop taking orders from those that dont know how to win.

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But the fact is the Taliban have never lost despite the fact they might be evil...

They are changing thier image and making themselves a serious political and millitary force in Afghanistan once again.

It is only a matter of time before they will have bloodied the foriegners out and then heaven help Karzai.

He is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

For once you should cease clamouring for the return of the Taliban, given the extremism that became nurtured in our society with them next door.

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But the Taliban belong in Afghanistan more than these westerners...

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^ thats a false choice if there ever was one

lol I am sure he knows, hes just trying to justify the sellout of Zardari to the west. So when I demand Zardari does not sell out, I am clamoring for the return of the Talibuns? hahahahah

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^Exactly....

So much for free speeech and democracy.

You want Pakistan to stop the war in the FATA - a war that was begun to deny the Afghan Taliban a foreign base to overthrow Karzai. Recall that the conflict began with an attempt to register and monitor foreign ex-militants in the FATA who were suspected of providing support to the Taliban.

A withdrawal of security forces from the front line would create a safe haven within Pakistan for the Afghan Taliban, it being a Taliban-friendly region without security presence, for a long, protracted war against Karzai and his western backers.

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You want Pakistan to stop the war in the FATA

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If that war is proving costly and useless... offcourse i want it to stop.

For all you Taliban bashers.... and dont assume i am a fan of the Taliban as i have more reason to hate thos thugs than any American nuttcase.

Consider this... would we be getting bombed if we hadn;t shoved our heads into this war on Americas biding?

How many bombs went off before we started our war?

If the Americans say jump we jump... but we dont think of the consequences.

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Musharraf supposedly got $12billion for this war. They used to refer to him as their ‘sonofa*****’

The problem is, we paid ALOT more than that for this war and even more so in terms of lives lost.

Who'se responsibility is it to ensure that the Taliban do not found bases inside the FATA to overthrow Karzai?

If the Pakistani military should not be doing it.... then should we allow Karzai's band of thugs to secure FATA against Taliban control?

If the Pakistani military should not do it...... then should we allow NATO troops to wander amongst our FATA villages?

Or should we be allowing the Taliban to make bases inside Pakistan, and then defend these Taliban against attacks from Afghanistan and NATO?

Should we allow the Afghan Army to wander amongst FATA villages? Should we allow NATO troops to search the houses of Pakistani villagers in the FATA for

In A-Stan Taliban are the lesser of the two evils.