Do we know enemy within our ranks?
A nice talk of Zaid Hamid
Does anti-Musharraf propaganda army agree with what Zaid Hamid saying? … As what he says in his talk is that people who were doing propaganda against Musharraf and destabilising him … Journalists, Media, judges (Iftikhar Chaudhri), other judges, lawyers, civil society, politicians, and many others were doing dirty job foir Americans to get rid of Musharraf … and this drama was playback of what was done against Mussadiq in Iran. Please see all his videos and think what he is saying.
Saleem bhai, is Nawaz Sharif (Ganja Thug, as you like to call him) also on Amreekan payroll? I remember you saying he was a Taliban sympathizer at one time, like Imran. Please be a little consistent. Also, now you are saying extremism is good, and amreekanism is bad? Also, what are your thoughts about the red carpet VIP treatment that the amreekans seem to be giving the MQM these days, in particular sub-don Mustafa Kamaal?
Saleem bhai, is Nawaz Sharif (Ganja Thug, as you like to call him) also on Amreekan payroll? I remember you saying he was a Taliban sympathizer at one time, like Imran. Please be a little consistent. Also, now you are saying extremism is good, and amreekanism is bad? Also, what are your thoughts about the red carpet VIP treatment that the amreekans seem to be giving the MQM these days, in particular sub-don Mustafa Kamaal?
Well ... what I think is that ... Imran, Qazi, Ch Iftikhar, Atitaz, Al-Quida and many amongst Taliban (leadership) ... most Journalists, many media barons, number of judges and lawyers, most of thsoe thugs who recently came out in the name of civil society, Nawaz, Zardari and many in Pakistan politics, all are on American payroll, regardless of they might have enmity between them or not.
And yea, this is not I am saying but this is what one can get from Zaid Hamid talk too. Please listen to his talk carefully (not only the one I posted above but most of his other talks too). One may get surprised that how someone on surface might be fighting the same forces who are paying them, but that is called camouflage clandestine operations. Sometime a country have to lose something (few casualties against Al-quida and Taliban) to gain higher objectives and that is what enemies of Pakistan are doing.
So is there anyone apart from Musharraf NOT on American payroll? Is this why America kept Mushy (who set new records for bending over and brown nosing after Zia)? Last I heard, it was people like Imran and Qazi who had the balls to bash America in the media, and not the spineless coward Busharraf? Also, why doesnt Musharraf denounce America, if he was such a pious anti-amreekan warrior? And now you are saying Taliban is on the American payroll, so dont act all weirded out when I quote that in future. Also, what do you have to say about Musharrafs unconditional support to the amreekans in the war then? Was it all a mistake
Yea, please do but without lies and without twisting what I wrote (as I fear that you do that a lot). In my above posts I am talking about Taliban leadership in Pakistan who are fighting Pakistani forces … read and understand. What I wrote is in response to your sentence:
Imran all the time shows his sympathy towards Taliban who are fighting Pakistani forces and in response Pakistani forces give them what they deserve … that is ticket to hell … something Imran does not like. To me, all those Taliban who are fighting Pakistani forces, they are misguided and their leaderships are on payroll of USA and that is what Zaid Hamid was also saying in his talk.
As for Taliban who are Afghans and are fighting Americans in Afghanistan, I do not care about them nor I am concerned or care to talk about them. I am not bothered who are paying them or on whose payroll they are. To me, they are not Pakistani problem and I do not want to interfere with what is happening in Afghanistan.
And yea, this is not I am saying but this is what one can get from Zaid Hamid talk too. Please listen to his talk carefully (not only the one I posted above but most of his other talks too). One may get surprised that how someone on surface might be fighting the same forces who are paying them, but that is called camouflage clandestine operations. Sometime a country have to lose something (few casualties against Al-quida and Taliban) to gain higher objectives and that is what enemies of Pakistan are doing.
Okay, I thought you have been an advocate of fighting Talibans, AlQaidas and how this war is Pakistan's war and not American war!? According to Zaid Hamid this whole drama of fighting Taliban/AlQaida is one such operation, CIA orchestrating this situation alongwith RAW.
Also, Zaid Hamid says that once in 2007 Americans realized that they were done with Musharraf so they decided to bring "democracy"..... wait a sec, do you not believe in democracy of 2002-2007? :D I will come back with more points ;)
Zaid Hamid is an idiot and conspiracy theory buff. What are all his theories based upon? He is just another media pundit in Pakistani media that earn their keep by spewing anti-american garbage and justify Taliban terrorists by blaming every thing on a US conpiracy.
Okay, I thought you have been an advocate of fighting Talibans, AlQaidas and how this war is Pakistan's war and not American war!? According to Zaid Hamid this whole drama of fighting Taliban/AlQaida is one such operation, CIA orchestrating this situation alongwith RAW.
Have you seen the videos? What Zaid Hamid is saying that Taliban and Al-Quaida fighting Pakistan army are actually agents of CIA and RAW or have CIA and RAW backing.
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Also, Zaid Hamid says that once in 2007 Americans realized that they were done with Musharraf so they decided to bring "democracy"..... wait a sec, do you not believe in democracy of 2002-2007? :D I will come back with more points ;)
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Well, actually what I believe (and I have evidence) is that USA (actually Western interests against Pakistan) decided to get rid of Musharraf in 2006 (or earlier). All media hype full of propaganda and lies, lawyer's bhangra during Judge issue and Civil crook movements backed by corrupt politicians, all these to give strength to propaganda and lies, were designs of anti-Pakistan elements to destabilise Musharraf government. When Musharraf government became weak due to propaganda campaign, American pressurised Musharraf to take back two of the world notorious accomplished political thugs back.
As for Pakistani forces fighting Taliban and Al-Quaida elements operating from Pakistan, I am with that, as I do not think that it is right for these terrorists to use Pakistani soil for their fight in Afghanistan or anywhere in the world. There should be zero tolerance towards those who want to challenge Pakistani writ on Pakistani soil.
Have you seen the videos? What Zaid Hamid is saying that Taliban and Al-Quaida fighting Pakistan army are actually agents of CIA and RAW or have CIA and RAW backing.
I have been saying this for sometime now :)
Well, actually what I believe (and I have evidence) is that USA (actually Western interests against Pakistan) decided to get rid of Musharraf in 2006 (or earlier). All media hype full of propaganda and lies, lawyer's bhangra during Judge issue and Civil crook movements backed by corrupt politicians, all these to give strength to propaganda and lies, were designs of anti-Pakistan elements to destabilise Musharraf government. When Musharraf government became weak due to propaganda campaign, American pressurised Musharraf to take back two of the world notorious accomplished political thugs back.
Yet another thing I have maintained for long and Mush followers kept saying "people wanted them back". Mush took them back tried to make deal that when they assume power they'll keep him as president, so there is the "logical reasoning" you have been long looking for.
As for Pakistani forces fighting Taliban and Al-Quaida elements operating from Pakistan, I am with that, as I do not think that it is right for these terrorists to use Pakistani soil for their fight in Afghanistan or anywhere in the world. There should be zero tolerance towards those who want to challenge Pakistani writ on Pakistani soil.
And the "war" will go on and on till the "big plan" succeeds.
According to Zaid Hamid, there is good Taliban and a bad Taliban. In his opinion the bad Taliban and Al-Quaida has the CIA and RAW's backing. He believes the CIA and RAW are trying to defeat the Pakistan Army, to justify a US/ Indian military invasion of Pakistan, removing Pakistan's nuclear capability and disolving the State.
I would suggest Mr. Hamid try to include in his analysis, the idea that the world would not be afraid of Pakistan's nuclear power if there wasnt a 9/11 and an Osama hiding in the mountains between Pakistan and Afghanistan. If he thinks there is a good Taliban, then I think, it is time for him to find them and unite them with Pakistan to confront the bad Taliban right now.
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Yet another thing I have maintained for long and Mush followers kept saying "people wanted them back". Mush took them back tried to make deal that when they assume power they'll keep him as president, so there is the "logical reasoning" you have been long looking for.
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Your reason is completely illogical. Musharraf had no need of support from any of the jokers to stay in power. He was already elected before even election (even though he did not even needed to get elected to stay in power, as his constituency was armed forces and to stay in power as long as he wanted, he should have kept his uniform and direct command of armed forces).
Logical reason is that, American pressure was more financial than political. Turmoil in the country that was fed by propaganda by corrupt media was causing long term harm to Pakistan. Misguided Jahannumis considering themselves Jihadis were making havoc in the country with their killing of innocents and suicide bombings. Worse was that Political forces along with civil crooks, immoral journalists, media working as agents of enemies, Shaitan scholars (Ulema-e-Sue), and corrupt Judiciary in the hand of corrupt CJ Iftikhar were supporting these Jahanumies for political reasons or misguided beliefs to make life of government difficult, that was causing economical jitters.
Musharraf knowing that Pakistan biggest problem is economical, else Pakistan can stand most world pressures, did not wanted that any harm comes to Pakistan economically, so the deal was made.
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And the "war" will go on and on till the "big plan" succeeds.
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Big plan would succeed the day Pakistan would give up to the American agents fighting Pakistani forces in the name of Jihad and creating havoc in the country with their killings of innocents and suicide bombings in the name of Jihad.
sa1eem, you never cease to amuse us, seriously... Now since musharraf no long has the blessings of the US and has been trashed like a used u know what, you are suggesting that Musharraf was not an american pithu lol... You should have posted these stories everytime Musharraf took blame for a failed US attack, only to be humiliated by the US a little while later, by admitting it was their own attack.
Is this why America kept Mushy (who set new records for bending over and brown nosing after Zia)? Last I heard, it was people like Imran and Qazi who had the balls to bash America in the media, and not the spineless coward Busharraf? Also, why doesnt Musharraf denounce America, if he was such a pious anti-amreekan warrior? And now you are saying Taliban is on the American payroll, so dont act all weirded out when I quote that in future. Also, what do you have to say about Musharrafs unconditional support to the amreekans in the war then? Was it all a mistake 