What do you guys think of Austraila’s tour. Isn’t it the biggest task (read=test) for him? So far may be?
I think 6 months are quiet reasonable time, for not so brand new players (half of them are around for a year or two and thus he must have watched their game before). I am not expecting any miracle or anything big from this tour. Also I don’t think that losing to Austraila will be a big issue in Pak, since we lost against SL recently at home and we lost several ODI tourneys as well, which we might have won, atleast one win was due. But my biggest concern is Woolmar’s plannings and reactions. There are several instance in last couple of months in which we saw that there was no game plan from the beginning. If the players are inconsistant, the whole world know that Pakistan is famous for its inconsistancy. You are getting paid to make them consistant, otherwise find someone who can produce the desired results. There are youngsters sitting on the bench waiting for their selection. They might be better than hud harams like Farhat and Sami.
In short, I see negative mentality. When you’re going for a big series, you say you don’t have expectations and you don’t see Pak wining it. On the other hand a humiliating defeat by WA 11 gives you enough satisfaction to warn Aussies national team to not to underestimate you team. What exactly is the point.
Does he have a plan? A short team and a long term one?
We coudn't win in Aust even with the greats like Wasim,Waqar etc. And if there is any chance in this series then I believe it will be because of Woolmer.I hope he has an effective plan against the Ausies! at least he is been so far successful against India.
Woolmer has repeatedly said that he would need at least until march to gel with the team and settle into a comfortable zone. Too bad that aussie tour came five months after he took over and first aussie test will be the third one he will be the coach of.
Regarding negative mentality, this is what I said in an earlier thread and here i quote.
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Remember we had a really good run after WC 99 and leading upto last australian tour and what Wasim Akram said before embarking for last tour of Australia? "We finally have a squad that can beat australia" and what did we have? oh right 3-0?.
Woolmer is trying to keep the expectations low and this is not a defeatist attitude by any means. If you wanna hear him saying that we are gonna win series then be his guest, because if we lose God Forbid, you will hold woolmer accountable.
I am just intretested in our approach and dont care what any coach, captain or player is goign to say.
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We have put too much hope on Woolmer. He is the most overrated coach. I have not seen South Africa winning a world cup. Woolmer even applied for West Indies Coaching job and he was turned down by West Indies Board. He is the most powerful coach in Pakistan History. Well, March is not too far away. Let's hope for the best.
i remember in 1999 world cup pakistani side was coachless. miandad was fired recently . lol asim akram was the coach , the chief selector and the manage ... wow kitna power in da hands of wasim....
so we saw the results pak made it the final only to lose to the great Aus and made asses outta themselves. :)
I think its indeed the biggest task for him so far but the preps are not looking good at all. Regarding batting, as someone said a coach can teach you the technique but its upto the batsmen to apply it on the field. Our inconsistant Yasir, Farhat, Malik and Younis do make the same mistakes and get out idiotically. But I do want to see some plan and strategies put up by Woolie.
So far his statements are very depressed, except the last one. I know its good to be realistic about your team's ability but still the statements should be encouraging. He has this thing of blaming others for undesired results.
I hope he learned a personal lesson from Saffies experience.
On a side note: Will it take a Viv Richards to teach our youngsters how to bat with straight bat or judge a wild outswinger from a right hand bowler.
History shows..it takes time to adjust on Aussie wickets. Matches (especially batting) are going to get easier as the series progresses. If I were the coach, I would tell my team to “keep it simple”. Value your wicket, play within yourself and bowl on a disciplined line and length. Flashy shots and fast bowling will get you no where. Professionalism is very important to beat the real professionals.
^^ aur jo woh poshida salahiyatein duniya ke saamne agaein tou koi player moonh chupane ke qabil nahi rahega
Fayz, I agree, but the practice matches are not showing any good picture. I hope the guys grasp the only positive thing out of those matches. Lesson that is.
Javed Miandad has come out strongly against Bob Woolmer's coaching methods and is extremely sceptical about Pakistan's chances in the Test series against Australia. Miandad's comments came just two days before the start of the first Test at Perth, with the Pakistan team suffering crushing defeats in the last warm-up game.
Miandad, who was sacked from the coaching position before Woolmer took over, pinpointed what he says are some basic flaws in the set-up. "When you are constantly experimenting with the team, when you are not sure about your playing XI and batting positions, when the coach is unaware of the particular cricket culture and psychology of Pakistan cricket, what do you expect?" Miandad told The News.
These comments came in the wake of Pakistan's humiliating ten-wicket defeat at the hands of Western Australia in their latest tour game. "It hurts to see a talented bunch of players struggle like this," Miandad said. "The problem lies in the fact that Woolmer doesn't have any idea of our cricket culture and background. Read his statements and you know this is a man not confident and sure about what he is doing."
Results, according to Miandad, were the bottom line in gauging a team, and he felt nothing much had changed ever since he was forced to step down. "He [Woolmer] has been in the saddle for six months now and we are still as inconsistent and erratic. When I left, the team was among the top three in Tests and one-day internationals, although when I took over after the 2003 World Cup we blooded several new players. Since I left has there been any improvement in the rankings or our performances?"
Elaborating on the coaching methods that he felt were ideal for Pakistan's players, Miandad said, "Our players need to be told and coached things in a simplified manner. If you drop a batsman to even give him a bit of rest to recover from a bad patch he loses his confidence and forgets everything he has learnt while in the team. That is why Yasir Hameed is now struggling to score runs."
And Miandad had no hesitation in pointing out that Pakistan will be the team playing catch-up throughout the series. "Given the present state of conditions in the team I am not really hopeful of any major surprise being sprung by our players in the Test series. A series in Australia is not the time or place for experiments or building for the future."
Among top 3, yes, we beat 2nd string NZ in Pakistan, we beat SA at home. But what happened when we visited their backyard? Javed was doing the same thing, experimenting with different combos, different players and all that. This time experimenting is much lower and he is narrowing down the players for top slot. Imran Farhat has not performed well for some time, Yasir is out of form and we have broken bowling lineup. I think we are getting there, Javed is just jealous.
The confidence of the team is at the rock bottom and Miandad’s statements are not going to help the team or himself.
This is the time when true leaders emerge in the dressing room, motivate the team and provide a boost of confidence. It is time for the senior players like Inzi, yoyo and Razak to lead from the front…not only on the field but off the field as well. Unfortunately, none of the three are vocal figures…major burden on their shoulders.
It is time to shine and become heros of the future. 12 yrs ago..Inzi was in the same shoes as Butt, Yasir and Farhat...and we won the worldcup...can the youngsters do it like their captain?
Miandad used to get irritated when ppl critcized him and his main excuse used to be 'well i can coach them but i cant play in the ground'. Well, Guess what! This stands for every coach in the world so he should know what Woolmer must be going through!
