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^ Now what is a "modern" muslim?
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MOdern muslims= 100% - 87% islam
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^ So what is the criteria?
hmm let me guess; mullah bashing threads? if yes then GS is full of modern muslims for sure!!
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Assalamo alaykum,
I read the following two fatawa, which I totally agree with and I thought I might as well share’em here on GS. I prefer the one by Dr. Tariq Abdelhaleem, as he has done a great job refuting the claims of the lady and others who believe it is permissible for women to lead prayers.
Women Leading Friday Prayer: AMJA’s Statement ](http://www.islamonline.net/fatwaapplication/english/display.asp?hFatwaID=122739)
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jazak Allah khayr sister Sadiyah....
very good reply from the sheikh....
may Allah give some understanding to these innovators and keep them away from such misguided practices and innovations....
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From reading all these posts, i do agree with PCG with certain extends that most men here have this typical attitude of having "more power to men becuz we run this society and make decisions" and yes i have to say Shariah was made for a male-dominated society. I still do not see anything from Quran where leading mixed prayers was prohibited?
Having said that, personally i think if a women has been brought up in a muslim family environment(CM's post) then she would have a sharm/hayaa, no women would like to stand front of bunch of men and bend over to pray 5 times. Heck forget about standing with men and praying, it is so private that i would be extremly uncomfortable showing my face to any stange men while praying. The whole idea of leading mixed prayer is ridiculous. Instead of getting stuck on this issues, women should start looking into other reasons of being less progressive they are now compare to 1300 years ago.
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Now, I dont know if my masjid is just some aberration or whatever, but...
the Imam who leads the namaz, has to have microphones and stuff hook up to him I guess or whatever other reason it is - but he doesn't pray directly in front of them so that they'd see his back. I think he prays in some cubicle or something made in front of the crowd near the main stage.
See, the girls can't ever see the guys section, because not only do we stand behind, but we're closed off by curtains. So i've never seen this stage area. Its kinda like a hole in the wall or a depression and he's sealed off in there.
I'm sure there are plenty of ways they could find to have the woman leading the prayer and seal her off so that the guys behind her could not even see her form.
Where there is a WILL there is a WAY. Its not that she's going to be bending left and right in front of these guys - that issue can easily be resolved.
An Imam has more powers realistically - it started off that the imam was just the leader of the prayer - but the Imam is also a big political force as well and is involved in daily matters of the mosque and is also an influential figure in society.
Jal Pari, its not the bending that's scaring the hell out of muslim men. Its that there is the possibility that they could be lead by women, and it would not be haraam.
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According to Vedas, it is mentioned that…‘The humankind have been created from four parts of Almighty God – from the head, it is the Brahmin; from the chest, is the Kshatriya; from the thigh, it is the Vayshyas, the business class; and from the feet is the Shudra – Caste system.
we ‘guys think’ that people who belong to the religion who’s God has made human of ‘low status’ and of ‘high status’ has nothing to do with this thread, it is therefore adviesed to them to stay out of this thread. Also i think they should be more concerend with the status problem in thier own religion first.
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Even if you get a million women wanting to be Imam and even if they do lead prayer to people whose prayers are not going to be accepted, you can not change the fact that a woman can not lead a prayer according to Islam. It is strictly forbidden. Now you can make all sorts of comments and all sorts of excuses, and go in circles all you want. The truth will remain the truth, and that is that a woman can not be an Imam in Islam.
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strictly forbidden? oh yeah? then why don't you put up proof of it from the Quran?
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How about you go read Quran's tafsir in detail and while at it, read the history of ahadith as well (ie. if you believe in ahadith) then put forth your arguments about the validity of women leading salah.
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In case you missed one of the links, here is a littel excerpt:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said, “I left among you that which if you hold on to it you will never go astray after me: the Book of Allah, and my Sunnah.”
Consensus and unanimity on the interpretation of a certain text in these two sources (the Qur’an and the Sunnah) is an irrefutable proof for its meaning and a clear sign and evidence that any other later interpretation is nullified, void, and rejected. Allah Almighty says, (And whoso opposeth the Messenger after the guidance (of Allah) hath been manifested unto him, and followeth other than the believer’s way, We appoint for him that unto which he himself hath turned, and expose him unto hell a hapless journey’s end (An-Nisaa’ 4:115).
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) described the successful group among the ones that went astray as being those “who follow and behave (after) what I and my Companions follow and behave (after).”
Second, there is unanimous consensus for the entire Ummah, in the east and west, that women cannot lead the Friday Prayer nor can they deliver the sermon. Whoever takes part in such a Prayer, then his Prayer is nullified. It is never found in any jurisprudential text of Hanafis, Malikis, Shafi`is or Hanbalis, nor even from Shiite scholars, that a woman can lead the Friday Prayer or deliver the sermon. This opinion [that a woman can lead the Friday Prayer] is an innovation and a heresy on any account, nullified by all scholars.
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^ Actually "unanimous agreement" is the best proof so far. I'm sure no Shia or Sunni or any other sect allows women to lead prayers.
Not only is there a unanimous agreement amongst the Sunnis, but I'm also quite positive that other sects also have similar views on this topic.
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Yes PCG. Show us something that proves your femanist points.
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**The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said, “I left among you that which if you hold on to it you will never go astray after me: the Book of Allah, and my Sunnah.”
Consensus and unanimity on the interpretation of a certain text in these two sources (the Qur’an and the Sunnah) is an irrefutable proof for its meaning and a clear sign and evidence that any other later interpretation is nullified, void, and rejected. Allah Almighty says, (And whoso opposeth the Messenger after the guidance (of Allah) hath been manifested unto him, and followeth other than the believer’s way, We appoint for him that unto which he himself hath turned, and expose him unto hell a hapless journey’s end (An-Nisaa’ 4:115).
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) described the successful group among the ones that went astray as being those “who follow and behave (after) what I and my Companions follow and behave (after).” **
If this is the only thing you can provide, that's pathetic. What you're basically doing is...
A. The Quran says follow the Prophet. God wants us to follow the Prophet.
B. We're going to rely on scholars saying that the grandkids and greatgrand kids of the followers of the prophet said that the Prophet never let a woman lead a prayer (although there is a hadith posted at the beginning of the section negating that assumption).
So, we're basically going to say that the Prophet ordered no women can lead prayers, when as of yet no one has provided first hand evidence other than most scholars saying "yes, this is the way".
C. Therefore, women can't lead prayers.
Dumb logic.
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Mirza sahib, my proof is that there is NO proof of a prohibition in the Quran or hadith. :D
So the only thing I can show you is Nothing. An Absence.
Look here at my hand. You see? Its empty.
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So basiclly you have no backing for your point. Which makes your point, pointless.
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an invisible imam leading the prayer from inside some secluded box where no one can see what she’s doing!! a great leap forward for gender equality…
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PCG: what is your take on the Word Sunnah and How much you love to follow Sunnah?
Oh, and why do you pray certain raka'at in certain prayers?
Are they mentioned in Quran? It's a challenge show me the proof from Quran about the number of Raka'ats