Women's Hijaab from Other Women?

PyariCgudia · February 4, 2003, 6:11am

In another thread, some people gave me this statement upon one of my comments.

My comment was that a girl can take off her burqa/hijaab (physical - cloth) in front of other women and the statement of others was that a woman should observe hijaab even among women…

I thought the whole point of a physical hijaab is to guard a woman’s body against a man’s unnecessary gaze (given that the man is also doing his part).

So why would one do a hijaab in front of other women. Note: I’m not talking about women being naked with each other, but wearing average clothes you’d wear at home - like a jeans and a shirt or something - around other girls.

I mean, honestly, this is the first time i came across something like this – i’m hoping i misunderstood.

google · February 4, 2003, 7:44am

There are certain situations. What if you are among Muslim/non girl who describe your Awrah to other male. Do you want the whole world to know your details, statistic ...etc?

armughal · February 4, 2003, 7:48am

nothing wrong in being more 'open' when among women as long as u do not expose the 'awrat'....

abc1234 · February 4, 2003, 8:04am

hmm....i have heard that if u don't completely trust the other woman, and that she might describe you to someone then you shouldn't take off your hijab in front of her...

in pakistan for example its common practice that sometimes a guy will like a hijabi or niqaabi girl and then ask his sister to go meet her and see her without hijab and then his sister will describe her to him without her having any idea about this...

so some girls like to avoid such situations and just stick to their hijaabs even in front of other girls...

Dai_sista · February 4, 2003, 10:43am

Do not reveal the awrah.. as long as that is covered!

PyariCgudia · February 6, 2003, 2:48am

what is awrah?

Sadiyah · February 6, 2003, 3:24am

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what is awrah?
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reference to the portions of a person's body that are to be covered properly. Under different circumstances, a person's 'awrah will be different. For example, for women, their 'awrah in the prayer when no men are around is different from their 'awrah when they go out in public which is yet different from their 'awrah when they perform the Hajj or the 'Umrah.
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Sadiyah · February 6, 2003, 3:37am

Praise be to Allaah.

All of a woman is ‘awrah in front of non-mahram men, and it is not permissible for her to appear before men even if she is covered, if there is there is the fear of fitnah (temptation) because of looking at her and seeing how tall she is and how she walks. Concerning what was said about a woman’s ‘awrah in front of other women being from the navel to the knee, this applies only when she is in her house among her sisters and the women of her household. The basic principle is still that she should cover all of her body lest she be taken as an example and this evil practice become widespread among women. Similarly, she must also cover her charms in front of her mahrams and strange women lest some of her mahrams be tempted by her or lest some of the women describe her to others. It was reported in the hadeeth that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No woman should describe another woman to her husband so that it is as if he can see her.” What this means is that if her charms, such as her chest, her shoulders, her stomach, her back, her arms, her neck and her calves, become visible, whoever sees that will inevitably have an impression of her, and usually women talk about what they have seen to their families, male and female alike. So a woman may mention that in front of non-mahram men * in a manner that may provoke them to pursue her, or which may cause bad people to form an attachment to her. For this reason, women have to cover their charms – such as their chests, backs, arms, calves, etc., - even in front of mahrams and other women. This covering becomes even more essential in parties, leisure facilities, hospitals and schools, even if there are only women present, because some non-mahram men and adolescent boys may see them or take pictures of them naked which will be a cause of temptation to those who see them. A stern warning has been issued to those who make a wanton display of themselves and wear see-through or tight clothing, when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“There are two kinds of the people of Hell … women who are clothed yet naked, walking with an enticing gait with something on their heads looking like the humps of camels, leaning to one side. They will not enter Paradise or even smell its fragrance.” What this means is that they are wearing see-through or tight clothes which show the size of their frame, or there are openings cut in the fabric which show their chests, breasts and other charms. This is widespread in parties and in general gatherings. And Allaah knows best.

From Fataawa al-Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Jibreen (www.islam-qa.com)

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=11014&dgn=3*

PyariCgudia · February 6, 2003, 5:48am

ok right - the I was under the impression that some people here think its not permissable to take off a head covering in front of other women...

rvikz · February 6, 2003, 11:18am

dont you htink you have to get some sun light on the skin so that
women wont end up with brittle bones?

Sentinel · February 6, 2003, 12:19pm

Are you speaking from experience rvikz?

Go to Norway or other countries in the northern hemisphere whose people don't see sunlight for 4-6 months a year. Their bones are perfectly normal by the Grace and Mercy of God.

What one needs to understand is that, there can only come good and benefit from the Laws of God. No harm can come from it. This is how simple it is ... as simple as words themselves.

Hum_Hain · February 8, 2003, 7:29pm

I think, in normal daily life, there is nothing wrong with women being without hijaab/head coverings amongst other women!