****ing dumbass uneducated illiteral idiots. I mean who in their right mind would want to oppose this. To be extremely low and underhanded, i could comment on this being part of pathan culture, but i rather not.
I bet Jamali and his goonds are only opposing it cuz the PPP presented it.
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But as soon as it was tabled, several members from a party allied to the PPP, the PML (N), got up to oppose the move.
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Prime Minister Zafarullah Jamali, and a large number of government MPs are opposed to the idea.
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The conservative alliance of six religious parties, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), is vehemently opposed to abolition and is being backed by many PML (N) members.
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Jahalat from all over!
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An official commission set up by the government recommended that the Hudood ordinance should be repealed and President Pervez Musharraf backs the move. At a recent function on International Women's Day, President Musharraf said that in order to make Pakistan a moderate Islamic state there was a need to do away with all customs and laws that discriminated against women.
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Hail Musharraf! He should suspend parliament and impose Presidential rule to force through these measures, and deal with other vitally important matters of state, as well.
i could comment on this being part of pathan culture, but i rather not.
This bills been pending in the National Assembly for awhile..
Just a point before this turns ethnic again ...PML-N is almost all Punjabi and the PML-Q Punjabi/Sindhi/Baluchi people have been blocking this bill from the beginning
p.s: If Mushy is so pro women why didn't he push the repeal/amendment through from 1999-2002 ?
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p.s: If Mushy is so pro women why didn't he push the repeal/amendment through from 1999-2002 ?
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A question worth considering. I don't know as well. Could be that he wanted to remain popular among the tradtional islamist, feudal and tribal elements of Pakistan or that such elements were pressuring him not to do this. Maybe he was just waiting for the right time, though nto sure what, makes this the right time. Whatever, I hope he succeeds and nobody kills him over it. Going against pakistani feudal/tribal society is even more dangerous then going after al qaeda. Politically anyway.
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Just a point before this turns ethnic again ...PML-N is almost all Punjabi and the PML-Q Punjabi/Sindhi/Baluchi people have been blocking this bill from the beginning
p.s: If Mushy is so pro women why didn't he push the repeal/amendment through from 1999-2002 ?
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PML-N is almost all Punjabi
PML-Q Punjabi/Sindhi/Baluchi people
MMA is almost all Pashtun
So as I said it is jahlat all over.
It was Musharraf that made honour killings a crime, and it was him that reserved a record number of parliamentary seats for women amongst other measures through the LFO. I remember how some people vehemently opposed the LFO, and held up those opposed it as great democrats.
As I said Musharraf should suspend parliament, rule through Presidential decree and appoint a technocratic government. That will allow him to repeal all discrimnatory laws against women, and bring in through any amendements, without recourse to the jahils of this parliament.
^ Actually it’s political opportunism it’s not civilian politicians:
PML-Q MNA says :Ms Tariq addressed the ministers’ row and asked, “Can the champions of women’s rights explain how many women they have inducted into the cabinet?”
Yes, it’s political opportunism, by the politicians as we can see - elected jahils from all ethnic groups. Btw, we had a woman as PM for two terms and she did not do much for women in terms of policies. Musharraf as CE-President appointed a record number of women to the cabinet, but it is his pro-women policies that mark him out from the politician jahils.
Time for Musharraf to reimpose Presidential rule, appoint a technocratic cabinet, and rule by decree. Then he can freely push through all the progressive policies that the vast majority of us support, without recourse to this jahlat parliament!
P.S. It’s good to see some of the women elected through Musharraf’s pro-women electoral reforms making their voices heard . :k:
Update on this.
Good to see the government and the PPPP making some compromises to get this bill passed…
http://www.dawn.com/2004/04/07/top2.htm
Consensus sought on PPP bill
In what appeared to be a good move for women’s rights, the government told the National Assembly on Tuesday that it was trying to build a consensus of all parties on a PPP bill seeking an end to gender discrimination. In a rare display of trust between bitter rivals, the PPP agreed to a government suggestion to defer for a week further discussion on the admissibility of the private bill that envisages more rights for women and repeal of the Hudood laws. The Protection and Empowerment of Women Bill, moved by nine PPP women members last month, is strongly opposed by the MMA and some members of the PML-N, which is a PPP ally in the ARD. Prime Minister’s Adviser for Women Development, Nilofar Bakhtiar, intervened in Tuesday’s debate to inform the house that women members from six political parties had recently met to try to evolve a consensus on the matter, and proposed that the debate be put off to help the continuing negotiations.
PPP’s Sherry Rehman, who heads the bill’s nine sponsors, agreed to a deferment until the next private members’ day on April 13. The bill stands no chance of being passed without the support from the treasury benches, where the move seems to have many supporters, particularly from the women members of the PML-Q and its allies. Tuesday’s surprise conciliatory move from the government came after an MMA member, Farid Ahmad Piracha, blasted the bill as a challenge to what he called unalterable Hudood, or limits, prescribed by God.
He said no parliament could alter these Hudood and called the bill a conspiracy of foreign-aided non-governmental organizations. “Nobody can have an open licence (to make such changes) in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan,” he added. Critics of the Hudood laws object to harsh punishments such as stoning to death for adultery and rape, amputation of hands for theft and flogging for drinking as well as perceived misuse of the laws against women. The PPP bill also seeks compulsory primary education for children under 10 years of age, equal participation of women in all walks of life, equal pay for equal work, prohibition of violence against women and honour killings, freedom for every.
This will be interesting to see if it succeeds. If not then this will still prove that Pakistan (it's leaders mostly) is a backward thinking country incapable of seeing the light and understanding the very religion it claims to be the champion of.
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This will be interesting to see if it succeeds. If not then this will still prove that Pakistan (it's leaders mostly) is a backward thinking country incapable of seeing the light and understanding the very religion it claims to be the champion of.
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I hope the PPP and the government come to an agreement, and get this bill passed, as it is desperately needed. The MMA and PML (N) will be left exposed as the backward jahils they are, but inshallah the status of women will improve.