Women in Hinduism - according to Hindus/Hinduism

She must be burned alive with her husband if he dies. Sati - widow burning they call it.

“Men must make their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is not fit for independence.” – Manusmrti 9:2-4.

“Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man.” – Krsna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6:5:8:2.

"Lord Indra himself has said, ‘The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.’ " – Rig Veda 8:33:17.

“A thirty-year-old man should marry a twelve-year-old girl who charms his heart, and a man of twenty-four an eight-year-old girl; and if duty is threatened, (he should marry) in haste.” – Manusmrti 9:94.

“A discarded wife is one who has no son. … For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity).” – Satapatha Brahmana 5:3:1:13.

“A damsel whose menses begin to appear (while she is living) at her father’s house, before she has been betrothed to a man, has to be considered as a degraded woman: by taking her (without the consent of her kinsmen) a man commits no wrong.” – Visnusmrti 24:41.

“A girl, a young woman, or even an old woman should not do anything independently, even in (her own) house. In childhood a woman should be under her father’s control, in youth under her husband’s, and when her husband is dead, under her sons’. She should not have independence. A woman should not try to separate herself from her father, her husband, or her sons, for her separation from them would make both (her own and her husband’s) families contemptible. She should always be cheerful, and clever at household affairs; she should keep her utensils well-polished and not have too free a hand in spending. When her father, or her brother with her father’s permission, gives her to someone, she should obey that man while he is alive and not violate her vow to him when he is dead. Benedictory verses are recited and a sacrifice to the Lord of Creatures (Prajapati) is performed at weddings to make them auspicious, but it is the act of giving away (the bride) that makes (the groom) her master. A husband who performs always makes his woman happy, both when she is in her fertile season and when she is not, both here on earth and in the world beyond. A virtuous wife should constantly serve her husband like a god, even if he behaves badly, freely indulges his lust, and is devoid of any good qualities. Apart (from their husbands), women cannot sacrifice or undertake a vow or fast; it is because a wife obeys her husband that she is exalted in heaven. A virtuous wife should never do anything displeasing to the husband who took her hand in marriage, when he is alive or dead, if she longs for her husband’s world (after death). When her husband is dead she may fast as much as she likes, (living) on auspicious flowers, roots, and fruits, but she should not even mention the name of another man. She should be long-suffering until death, self-restrained, and chaste, striving (to fulfill) the unsurpassed duty of women who have one husband. Many thousands of Brahmins who were chaste from their youth have gone to heaven without begetting offspring to continue the family. A virtuous wife who remains chaste when her husband has died goes to heaven just like those chaste men, even if she has no sons. But a woman who violates her (vow to her dead) husband because she is greedy for progeny is the object of reproach here on earth and loses the world beyond. No (legal) progeny are begotten here by another man or in another man’s wife; nor is a second husband ever prescribed for virtuous women. A woman who abandons her own inferior (caste birth) husband and lives with a superior (caste birth) man becomes an object of reproach in this world; she is said to be ‘previously had by another man’. A woman who is unfaithful to her husband is an object of reproach in this world; (then) she is reborn in the womb of a jackal and is tormented by the diseases born of her evil.” – Manusmrti 5:147-164.

“Now the duties of a woman (are as follows): To live in harmony with her husband; To show reverence (by embracing their feet and such-like attentions) to her mother-in-law, father-in-law, to Gurus (such as elders), to divinities, and to guests; To keep household articles (such as the winnowing basket and the rest) in good array; To maintain saving habits; To be careful with her (pestle and mortar and other) domestic utensils; Not to practice incantations with roots (or other kinds of witchcraft); To observe auspicious customs; Not to decorate herself with ornaments (or to partake of amusements) while her husband is absent from home; Not to resort to the houses of strangers (during the absence of her husband); Not to stand near the doorway or by the windows (of her house); Not to act by herself in any matter; To remain subject, in her infancy, to her father; in her youth, to her husband; and in her old age, to her sons. After the death of her husband, to preserve her chastity, or to ascend the pile (funeral pyre) after him. No sacrifice, no vow, and no fasting is allowed to women apart from their husbands; to pay obedience to her lord is the only means for a woman to obtain bliss in heaven. A woman who keeps a fast or performs a vow (apart from her master) in the lifetime of her lord, deprives her husband of his life, and will go to hell. A good wife, who perseveres in a chaste life after the death of her lord, will go to heaven like (perpetual) students, even though she has no son.” – Visnusmrti 25:1-17.


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On the other hand, see how much freedom Islam gives to women!??

Sexuality of women has been a big threat to men and their fragile ego. So there have been attempts throuout history to keep women dependent so that they are faithful. All religions have contributed to this bondage of women.

It was industrial revolution that liberated women to a large extent. James Watt was first prophet of liberty.

Ullu

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James watt as in james watt the inventor of the steam engine???

lol…

Ullu sir jii,

There is no match in this world for how much rights does Islam give women. Islam is fastest growing religion in the world, out of those who are coming to Islam are women, the figure is around 4 out of 5 are women.

What does james watts have to do with rights of women? Islam gave women their rights 1400 years ago.
And when it comes to sad parts of history you blame in to "ALL RELIGIONS" why not just keep the thing to hinduism and see women through hindu perpective? As I posted, its quite ugly to see women from hinduism's perspective.

Islam slaps on the face of others when it comes to equality and right(women, human etc.)


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out of those who are coming to Islam are women, the figure is around 4 out of 5 are women. <<

I think you have wrong number. Why such a high percentage of women? hint hint

Since replying in kind about Islam would probably only get me banned (as if Watcher actually wants to research his own scriptures), let me point him to the following explanations of Sati:
http://members.tripod.com/~sudheerb/practices1.html

Astrofan! That website is so pathetic. Now they are blaming all that crap on Muslims and Arabs?

I do feel sorry for those women for what they had to go through because their men lacked manhood to defend them. It wasn’t the Arabs or the Sultan’s fault that people in that time didn’t have enough courage to protect their females.

King Ratnasen, a brave and noble warrior-king (If such character did exist!)
What kind of a husband and noble man was he, that he went on giving all the juicy details about his wife to a person he didn’t knew before in his entire life?


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dear watcher,

lets go quote by quote.

the first one's from manusmriti, which is not a religious treatise, but a social one.

the second one is not valid because women do have a right to inheritance in hindu law, as per the indian constitution.

quote 3, i suspect, is dragged in here out of context.

quote 4,6, once again are from manusmriti.

quote 5,6 are from the visnusmrti, what's this visnusmriti? never heard of it.

in any case, women in india undoubtedly enjoy more freedom and power than in islamic afghanistan. according to your posts, islam liberates women, while hinduism ties them down, how come we see the opposite happening in real life?

Dear queer,

Who said Afghanistan was Islamic?

Weather the quotes exist in hindu ideaology or in indian socio-cultures, its still applies to women in India/hindu. Since all of the hindus are in india.


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About Afganistan --> Allah knows best!

The western media might be portraying the wrong picture of the Taleban! I saw one of Mulla Omar's interviews and he seemed like a very decent person to me.

But Allah knows best!

However, if all the things that we hear from the western media regarding Afgh. are true, like it is must to keep a beard and that women are not allowed an eductaion, then THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS!

Once again,

Who said Afghanistan was Islamic? <

pakistan, saudi arabia, and the taliban.

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Weather the quotes exist in hindu ideaology or in indian socio-cultures, its still applies to women in India/hindu.
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duh! who said the quotes apply to women in india today?

Since all of the hindus are in india. <

the only hindu nation is.... guess what?.... nepal. there are native hindu populations stretching from afghanistan (ya, afghanistan), pakistan, india, nepal, butan, all of indo-china, and south-east asia.

i suggest you learn something, a little something about hinduism, before you decide to embark on the task of blasting hinduism.

otherwise, everyonez gonna have a good laff at your masterpieces like the one above.

Well, I was right sir, Hindus only exist in “SUBCONTINENT” right?

What ever the case, those rights of women were practiced, were part of hindus "religion’[though i like to call it ideaology]. They are still in existance in most part of “hindu-socio-cultures” of not all.
Trying to say that they do not is only mocking ones self and avoiding the truth.

Lets see what you say abou this:

HINDUISM SAYS WOMEN ARE LIKE WHORES BY NATURE
Hinduism’s holy dharmasastra teaches that women are like whores and sluts by nature like the bimbo goddess Indrani (ref. RigVeda 10:86:6.):

“Good looks do not matter to them, nor do they care about youth; ‘A man!’ they say, and enjoy sex with him, whether he is good-looking or ugly. By running after men like whores, by their fickle minds, and by their naturallack of affection these women are unfaithful to their husbands even when they are zealously guarded here. Knowing that their very own nature is like this, as it was born at the creation by the Lord of Creatures (Prajapati), a man should make the utmost effort to guard them. The bed and the seat, jewellery, lust, anger, crookedness, a malicious nature, and bad conduct are what Manu assigned to women. There is no ritual with Vedic verses for women; this is a firmly established point of law. For women, who have no virile strength, and no Vedic verses, are falsehood; this is well established.” – Manusmrti 9:14-18.


Oh, there are more.

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Oh yeah, and Afghanistan i.e taliban are not practicing real islam. You were misinformed sir. They have made islam more complicated and more harder. And you were presented with much harsh image of Islam, which is apsolutly false. Unlike hinduism it does not have a darkened meaning. Islam means Peace - submission to God one and only.
You need to stop watching biased Jewish media. Only way to cure the inner disease filled in your heart by the Jews.


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just about as right as saying all pakistanis like only in india.

that one is not from the rig veda, it’s your idea of a rigged veda. get a life.

the next quote is from the manusmriti, so it’s about as valid to hindus as “aladin aur jadui charag” is to muslims.

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lol,

So, are you saying those books or quotes from those holy books of hinduism do not exist? akhmmmmmmmmmm


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lol

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i am saying what i said. that quote you claim to be from rigveda is obviously rigged.

and manusmriti is to hindus what arabian nights is to muslims.

hope you understand this time.

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I think you should just go ahead and see it your self: Since you do not have any knowledge of what your scriptures say.

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Good Luck. Take it easy sir.

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i repeat what i said elsewhere.

guess who runs the site that you claim will teach me hinduism?

would you like to know of a jewish site that could teach you all about islam?

c'mon man, get real. want hinduism, ask hindus. it's their religion, they get to define it! #$%^!

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Originally posted by queer:
in any case, women in india undoubtedly enjoy more freedom and power than in islamic afghanistan. according to your posts, islam liberates women, while hinduism ties them down, how come we see the opposite happening in real life?

Alright queer you, say women in India enjoy more freedom and power than in the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, how come? You seem to imply that the women of Afghanistan are oppressed. Where do u see that? Do u have any examples?

It always irritates me when people quote the misguided, misinformed not to mention biased media..'especially when it come to afghanistan.

Here's something i wrote in a another thread a while ago regarding the same sort of issue...

'No doubt u have heard of all the rumours circulating about how life for women under the taliban is oppressive, injust,...etc,etc. Well here are the facts, the former regime that did not serve the country had employed women in a number of sectors without any real need. Some of them were used just for the sexual entertainment of the bureaucracy. Due to the ineffective and immoral institutions, they have temporarily been relieved of their duties.Note:The government pays them their salaries regularly. Keep in mind, the current government of afghanistan is the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, based on Islam and therefore in contrast with governments of the west will not permit the dishonour of women. But women whose work is really needed, are still working in the health, education and security sectors.

Then there are the rumours circulating about the education of females. In accordance with Islam, the I.E. of Afghanistan considers education equally obligatory for both men and women, that is a fact. However, as u obviously know, currently the country is in shambles, the economic structure has been destroyed, and of course the education facilities have been turned to rubble like much else in the country. I mean seriously how can people be sent to school if there is no school to go to? The present war situation imposed and fueled by foreign powers diverts from Afghanistan's already meager national resources that would be better allocated to opening more schools. Secondly, the Afghans do not trust the communist-style curriculum....so the gov't does not only need to compile a new curriculum that will answer the needs of their society, they also have to restore the trust of the common people in government-run education. Thirdly, the war has created a huge brain drain in all sectors including education...which obviously poses additional hurdles in the restoration of educational, economic, political and social institutions. As conditions in the country improve, so will, doubtlessly, job and education opportunities for women.'

You seem to imply that the women of Afghanistan are oppressed. Where do u see that? Do u have any examples?<<<

GFQ, jao tusi wapis jaa ke ander sauN jao. ajjay din nai charheya.

Queer

In any case, women in india undoubtedly enjoy more freedom and power than in islamic afghanistan.

Describe that freedom for me please.
Letting your women provide for you is not freedom buddy. It's lack of MARDANGI!
Nor is letting them dress up like sluts and whores.

*The Watcher *

Who said Afghanistan was Islamic?

I SAY it is Islamic! Anyone have doubts?

Remember that Afghan people and Taleban are following the code of PAKHTUNKWA (PATHANS).
If it doesn't fit your personal needs, it doesn't mean that it's not Islamic or you should disrespect it.
What they are doing is in their culture and blood. You can't stop them from doing what they have been practicing for years because suddenly someone thinks it not right and you have to agree with them.
No one can change it, because no one has ever done and never will.

The same code of honor and cultural life style was being practiced in NWFP for years.
How come nobody said anything then? You know why? Because it made Pakistan look more ISLAMIC then it was BUDDY!

There are lots of customs and rituals that are part of Indo-society being practiced by Pakistanis. Those customs have nothing in common with the Arab world or Islam. But has it stopped anyone from practicing it? Or should they be stopped because it's different?

The Watcher

Oh yeah, and Afghanistan i.e taliban are not practicing real islam. You were misinformed sir. They have made islam more complicated and more harder. And you were presented with much harsh image of Islam, which is apsolutly false.

Tell me who is practicing real Islam? Pakistan? Arab? Ya right!

Many people find Afghanistan more Islamic then any other country in this world. You are just saying its not because you are influenced by so called MODERN ISLAM! Where there is no such thing, but people have created it for them selves so they can have their way with ISLAM.


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