Re: Women in Hijjab in Pakistan
I doubt if you read it 
The guy Khalid Shaukat who wrote this article specialized in physics, mathematics, computer programming, and computational astronomy. With your response, you seem to know more than him. Educate us please:layd:
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i had read the beginning that was confusing, but then i found the article;)
that i great!
from the article : "One and only one great circle passes through any two given distinct points on a sphere that are not mutual antipodes. On a sphere, the shortest path between two points is along the great circle between them. The great circle arc AB lies vertically above the straight line (tunnel) AB, since the points on the former are vertically above the points on the latter.
if an object positioned vertically above one location can be seen from another location, that object appears in the direction of the great circle between the two locations.
from the commonly understood meaning of “facing” the Ka‘ba (or the Sacred Mosque), it seems natural to adopt the great circle direction for the qibla. For someone who can see the Ka‘ba, the direction sought is, of course, the line of sight to the Ka‘ba. For someone who is farther away but within the visibility range of Mecca’s landmarks or hills, the qibla is the line of sight to these. The definition of qibla is the common sense extension of the idea of line of sight to the Ka‘ba, namely, the line of sight to a vertical line passing through the Ka‘ba. This is the direction, for example, in which an imaginary tower built over the Ka‘ba would appear. It seems indisputable that for someone who could see a tower built over the Ka‘ba, the qibla would be the line of sight to the tower.
http://patriot.net/~abdali/ftp/qibla.pdf
it’s confirming what i told you about straight lines! they are not ON the sphere but INSIDE, and your direction, is the shortest path ON the phere, but not IN the universe…
thus the explanation for choosing the shortest path instead of the shortest absolute way (definition of a distance) was that as muslim we shall pray towards the line verticallly erected from Ka’bah.
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ok if u were to take a plane from wherever you are to mecca right now which direction would it go...thats where you face, its easy. o wait u dont pray.
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false plane dont take the shortest way, they navigate due to the jet streams who can facilitate flights in some places, thus making a longest way shorter in time:wink:
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you know what i meant.
just tell me, do you pray 5 times a day?
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I think there may a bit of confusion here ... I think we are saying the same thing.
The statement of Anwar regarding straight lines is correct, but it is not universal shortest displacement between two points that concern us. It is the apparent straight line that manifests itself along the surface of the Earth as though you would walk the path. In reality we would be walking in circles around the Earth, but locally at any given instance we walk in what appears to be a straight line towards the Kaabah. The Qiblah is based on these paths along the surface of the Earth. At Makkah the people arrange in concentric circles and with each circle growing outwards if this was to continue across the whole globe you would get people facing the direction that they are currently facing.
The shorest distance is as you have correctly stated also a curve, which is vertically above the straight line displacement between the two points. However, you need to define vertical. According to the globe the poles define this for us. However, the poles for the soul are at Makkah.
You would really have to re-draw the map with Makkah at the top. Then you will see that the directions we pray in are infact shortest distances to the Kaabah.
To pray in to the Earth in order to get the line of displacement is a nutty idea. People would be slipping of their prayer surfaces. I don't think you expect this to be the case.
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saro is not a man either:chai:
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Oversized clitoris then? You know it has and does occurr in human nature and perhaps why some go for female circumcision and others forced into it.
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Muhammad Atta prayed before crashing with plane into world trade center on 9/11
Osama Bin Laden prayed and prayes
Al Zarqawi *prayed *
And the canadian terrorists arrested couple of weeks ago in Canada prayed.
I guess in your books these people are worthier than the poster you admonitioned? i bet some of these murderers took the opportunity to pray 5 times per day. Guess prayer really made the good muslims??
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Osama Bin Laden prayed and prayes
Al Zarqawi *prayed *
And the canadian terrorists arrested couple of weeks ago in Canada prayed.
I guess in your books these people are worthier than the poster you admonitioned? i bet some of these murderers took the opportunity to pray 5 times per day. Guess prayer really made the good muslims??
Don't judge a brilliant and wonderful car by its drunk Driver.....
I asked you books about Ismailis....I want to KNow about your religion.
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What religion do you follow? 
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Osama Bin Laden prayed and prayes
Al Zarqawi *prayed *
And the canadian terrorists arrested couple of weeks ago in Canada prayed.
I guess in your books these people are worthier than the poster you admonitioned? i bet some of these murderers took the opportunity to pray 5 times per day. Guess prayer really made the good muslims??
How do you know they pray 5 times a day....and if they do that does'nt mean it was the prayer's fault or prayer made them to do what they did{if they really did that}
You are saying People who perform a-salaat 5 times a day become terrorists...
or Terroists pray 5 times a day.
You are giving the examples of those who don't know about Islam ...Islam means peace.
Why don't you give examples of Prophet Muhammad[saw] and His companions..
So your whole point is that leave As salaat and become good muslim.
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Ethnic strife most likely does not count…it’s hardly religiously motivated.
On the contrary, in this situation, religion tends to be the healing factor.
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I guess in your books these people are worthier than the poster you admonitioned? i bet some of these murderers took the opportunity to pray 5 times per day. Guess prayer really made the good muslims??
So those who pray are akin to those folk? What a sweat heart....for one who claims to be so enlightened, you're a rather whiny bigot, ain't you?
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culture has been polluting islam for so long, we have problem to extract it religion, and to the eyes of the disbelievers religion is forever stained by backward traditions:(
And so what do we do? Forever play catch-up with those who would judge us for the actions of a few among us? For our crimes of trying to follow prophetic traditions, as flawed and imperfect as we are?
Or should we simply ignore the disbelievers...as if they have our best interests at heart...
Are you conceptions of human rights given greater priority to your perceptions of what is God's law...critical quesiton.
The cartoon issue comes to mind...
Do we praise our modern human rights to the extent of slandering the Prophet(pbuh) and his traditions? Consider the sick rhetoric that just because Islamic inheritance laws favors women, it implies that the Prophet (a caveman, by their description, astargfullah...) had viewed women as lesser human beings. Do we internalize those kind of bigoted attitudes for the sake of appeasing our modern "friends"?
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:) Medieval Ismaili History by Daftari (sp) --- he has written a slew of books , your local popular book shop could have them or they could order , try even searching at amazon author farhad daftari . daftary ( not sure of spelling)
Another book is called , :) Surviving the Mongols , forgot who wrote that, do a title search AND
interesting ::) Assassins Myth, or it could be called Myth of the Assasin
AND :) The Assassins Bernard Lewis
, you will find heap more titles no doubt at your local unversity bookstore.
oops, don't forget Quran has influence, should keep you busy during a coffee break , don't forget History of Imams , and there are couple of good books in reference section regarding Aga Khan.
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i wrote perfectly clearly, don't know how you could have misinterpreted and respond as you did.................................. but you purposefully chose to ingnore it and miscontrue so as to espouse your warrantless diatribe. And excuse me, but I believe you are whining!
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Or should we simply ignore the disbelievers...as if they have our best interests at heart...
*Are you conceptions of human rights given greater priority to your perceptions of what is God's law...critical quesiton. *
The cartoon issue comes to mind...
Do we praise our modern human rights to the extent of slandering the Prophet(pbuh) and his traditions? Consider the sick rhetoric that just because Islamic inheritance laws favors women, it implies that the Prophet (a caveman, by their description, astargfullah...) had viewed women as lesser human beings. Do we internalize those kind of bigoted attitudes for the sake of appeasing our modern "friends"?
*Clearly mistated using GOD, tsk, tsk, GOD never forbid the drawing of his image , not in QURAN. :) *
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On the contrary, in this situation, religion tends to be the healing factor.
A person who can think beyond, or rather outside of the box would have understood what she wrote and what she meant. Your response however, is indicative of a'male gender' bias and perhaps partly stemming from the sub-conscious parochial prejudices. Concept of virginity in one's religion is so instilled into being so vitally important (hmmmmm) that some men turn into fanatic believers and beasts (referring here to any religion) thus thinking it would be most insulting if taking the women's viriginity from an enemy. Imagine the anger and rage if done to your own mother, sister, wife, daughter ?