WOMEN DRESS CODE

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The dress code in islam is taken wrongly ....people think that dressing up like arabs means dressing up like muslims......wrong.....
The details TRUTHFINDER gave they are true to certain extent...the dress code like wearing a hijab could be a traditional thing but most of all its about the regional thing ...if u look at the arabian peninsula and africa....That place is hell on earth **weather* wise.... people still to this day cover their heads to avoid from hot gusty wind and sand. Most of the people took arabs living style and culture as a islamic way of living ...* That is just pure ignorance.

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Dressing up like Arabs? There is great variation in clothing that is deemed Islamic, and has everything from North American and European (Gucci Hijabs, anyone?) to Malay influences. There are criterion...not specific modes of dress...

What is more telling is the recent trend of not wearing conservative or traditional dress, and the motives behind it. It's not freedom, folks...here's a hint: if we were living in Vicotrian times, our "mod" women would be clamouring to wear a coursets and dome-shaped skirts.

Never mind that, just look at how men dress...the internalized racism is there for all to see...fair and lovely indeed.

So, why is the Hijab getting such a bad wrap?

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ohh Hot weather...In the Uk in summer we all know how people dress up here..They hardly cover thier bodies.
In Arab Before Islam women used to walk topless....even men and women used to do twaaf around Kabah naked before Islam.
Head covering is part of the woman's satar....according to all Islamic scholars.So it has nothing to do with culture.

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Salam Hareem,

Sure brother I will quote part of first post of this thread;

Its not about specific places and not about specific conditions. Hope the message is clearer to you now.

cheers!

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What does "Khimaar" mean?
and Do you know where this word is cited?

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i think you are talking about khimar???

What does the word khimar mean in classical Arabic?

In common usage, the face and the head are distinguished. For instance, in wudu, we wash the “face” and the “head” separately. In order to say that something covers the face it is necessary to state explicitly that it covers the face; saying that it covers the “head” is not enough. Here are some explanations of the linguistic meaning of “khimar”:Imam Abu’l-Fida ibn Kathir: “Khumur is the plural of khimar which means something that covers, and is what is used to cover the head. This is what is known among the people as a khimar.”
The dictionary of classical Arabic, Aqrab al-Mawarid: “[The word khimar refers to] all such pieces of cloth which are used to cover the head. It is a piece of cloth which is used by a woman to cover her head.”
Shaykh Muhammad al-Munajjid on Islam Q&A: “Khimaar comes from the word khamr, the root meaning of which is to cover. For example, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Khammiru aaniyatakum (cover your vessels).” Everything that covers something else is called its khimaar. But in common usage khimaar has come to be used as a name for the garment with which a woman covers her head; in some cases this does not go against the linguistic meaning of khimaar. Some of the fuqahaa’ have defined it as that which covers the head, the temples and the neck. The difference between the hijaab and the khimaar is that the hijaab is something which covers all of a woman’s body, whilst the khimaar in general is something with which a woman covers her head.”
Shaykh Muhammad Nasiruddin Albani: “The word khimaar linguistically means only a head covering. Whenever it is mentioned in general terms, this is what is intended.”

Each of these authorities has stated that the khimar covers the head not the “face”.

How is the khimar to be worn?

In case the above is not convincing that the khimar covers the head but not the face, here are specific descriptions given in the tafasir of how exactly Allah SWT has commanded the khimar to be worn:Imam Abu Abdullah Qurtubi: “Women in those days used to cover their heads with the khimar, throwing its ends upon their backs. This left the neck and the upper part of the chest bare, along with the ears, in the manner of the Christians. Then Allah commanded them to cover those parts with the khimar.”
Imam Abu’l-Fida ibn Kathir: “‘Draw their khumur to cover their bosoms’ means that they should wear the khimar in such a way that they cover their chests so that they will be different from the women of the jahiliyyah who did not do that but would pass in front of men with their chests uncovered and with their necks, forelocks, hair and earrings uncovered.”

From the above we can see that the khimar covered the hair, but left the forehead, ears, neck, and upper chest uncovered. When Allah SWT commanded the women to draw their khimars to cover their bosoms, the women were to draw the ends of the khimar forward and fasten it so that their foreheads, ears, necks, and upper chests were covered. This does not mention the covering of the face. If Allah SWT had meant the women to cover their faces with their khimars, Imam Qurtubi and Imam ibn Kathir would have described this. They did not. The khimar is a headscarf, period.
http://www.muhajabah.com/khimar.htm

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Salam Afridi,

Bro please quote the relevant hadith which confirms as you have said. And then by using our own eyes, hearing and mind, we will try to understand the truth.

Also Afridi brother I see you like other ppl markers ‘cheers’ :clap:

May Allah be with you!

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Just answer these three Questions
Would u mind telling me then why all arab MEN still cover their heads .
Have u ever lived in middle east?
What kinda surrounding did arabs lived in when islam was spreading in that time?
For ur information i've lived in middle east for 18 years.And i know wat kinda weather is down there.

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I missed the other post, will revert soon

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all i know is that prophet Muhammad [saw] and his companions[ra] used to wear abaya and turbon on thier head....the present thing that arabs wear now a days is different from those days...also the presant arabs mostly don't keep beard...but our beloved prophet[saw] and his companions did......
i don't know much about the weather of arab countries bcoz i did'nt live there ever.....

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Hareem, I think it's high time that you add in your signature "I am female". I don't know why everybody thinks you are a male. :-)

blessing to you.

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Salam Hareem,

Sorry for calling you bro instead of sister, I didnt knew before. Now back
to your questions;

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What does "Khimaar" mean?
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"Khimar" in Arabic means, cover, any cover, a curtain is a Khimar, a dress is a Khimar, a table cloth that covers the top of a table is a Khimar, a blanket can be used as a Khimar..etc. The word KHAMRA used for intoxicant in Arabic has the same root with Khimar, because both covers, the Khimar covers (a window, a body, a table . etc.) while KHAMRA covers the state of mind.

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and Do you know where this word is cited?
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Here it is 24:31;

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

Here is Yousuf Ali's translation, Khimar is translated as veil.

Arabic word for chest, GAYB is in the verse (24:31), but the Arabic words for head, (RAAS) or hair, (SHAAR) are NOT in the verse. The commandment in the verse is clear - cover your chest / bosoms.

In 24:31 Allah is asking the women to use their cover (khimar)( being a dress, a coat, a shawl, a shirt, a blouse, a tie, a scarf . . . etc.) to cover their bosoms, not their heads or their hairs. If Allah so willed to order the women to cover their heads or their hair, nothing would have prevented Him from doing so. Allah does not run out of words.

The last part of the verse (24:31) translates as, "They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies." The details of the body can be revealed or not revealed by the dress you wear, not by your head cover. At the end of the verse, Allah told the women not to strike with their feet to show their "zeenatahunna". You do not need to strike your feet to show your ornaments but the way you strike your feet while walking can expose or shake certain parts of the body that do not need to be emphasized.

The decision is left open intentionally by Allah Subhan Wa Taala for different cultures and period of time. How much to cover it depends on your social and cultural traditions and values. The command of Allah is to adopt modesty both for believing men and believing women and the details are left for you to decide.

cheers!

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ok if you're right then it means we can change our satar or aurah according to cultures.....if in europe people go in mini skirts and shorts then what a muslim should wear?
In classic Arabic "khimaar" means "head covering".....women used to cover thier heads with "khimaar".like now a days we use word "hijjab" for head coverings.
Are you saying that head covering is not part of women's satar?
say yes then I'll show you Ahadiths and scholars opinion about head covering and also tafseer of this Ayah.inshaAllah

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Salam Hareem,

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ok if you're right then it means we can change our satar or aurah according to cultures.....
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I certainly think so.

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if in europe people go in mini skirts and shorts then what a muslim should wear?
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I live in europe and been to many places, you will not disagree that many many people wear moderate clothes.

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In classic Arabic "khimaar" means "head covering".....women used to cover thier heads with "khimaar".
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In urdu word is 'safa' for head scarf and in arabic its 'tarha'. However I wont disagree with you.

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like now a days we use word "hijjab" for head coverings.
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"Hijab" is the term used to describe head cover that may or may not include covering their face except their eyes, and sometimes covering also one eye. The Arabic word "Hijab" can be translated into veil or yashmak. Other meanings for the word "Hijab" include, screen, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider.

The word "Hijab" appeared in the Quran 7 times, five of them as "Hijab" and two times as "Hijaban," these are 7:46, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51, 17:45 & 19:17. None of these "Hijab" words are used in the Quran inreference to dresscode.

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then what a muslim should wear?
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Lets see what Allah is telling us;

  1. Best garment - Verse 7.26
  2. Cover your bosom - Verse 24.31
  3. Not shake & not reveal - Verse 24.31
  4. Garment style - Verse 33:59
  5. Relaxing dresscode - Verse 33.55
  6. Eldery women - Verse 24:60
  7. Dresscode for mosque - Verse 7:31

Allah, gave us these basic rules for the Dress Code for Women in Islam.

Conclusion;
(1) The BEST garment is the garment of righteousness.
(2) Whenever you dress, cover your bosoms.
(3) Lengthen your garment.

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Are you saying that head covering is not part of women's satar?
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Not in (1) Amsterdam but it is in (2) Kabul.
2. Girl walking in jeans/blouse no matter how moderate. Will turn necks!
1. Girl walking in islami dress no matter how moderate. Will turn necks!

In this scene I think both 1 & 2 are wrong since they are gathering attention, which isnt right.

Imagine for a minute, what if majority is wrong!!!!
Crufication of Jesus is a lie, isnt it? Yet 100s of million believe otherway around.

Most of them follow nothing but conjecture: truly conjecture can be of no avail against truth. Verily Allah is well aware of all that they do. (10:36)

Finally my understanding of the subject can be wrong but message from Allah is very clear in the quran.

cheers!

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truthfinder a while ago i posted what u just did but my thread got shut down :(

anyways wait till everyone starts jumpin the gun as to how u posted from submission.org and are a follower of rashid khulfa :(

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I love how men are always concerned with what women wear. I think that this is a woman's perogative, she has to answer to God, not me. WHy are muslim men so hell bent on constantly opinionating on women's clothes. Muslim men are FAR from perfect. Pathetic.

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This is only a recent trend. In defense of "men" (there are PLENTY of women who also decry immodest dress), it is a rather recent trend that people walk around in pretty much their underwear.

I see evidence of it this summer...so seriously, folks, are clothes out of fashion now?

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I donot goto above .org neither do I follow rashid khilifa, neither do i agree by his translations and theory of code 19.

My roots are sunni, I consider myself MUSLIM period.

salam!

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Okay. What if the majority are wrong? Heads get covered.

Only in this epoch is this considered an ominous thing.

Can we please call a spade a spade; this has more to do with divergences between how our cultures enforce dress codes and how other self-proclaimed enlightened ones do (albeit one is more restrictive than the other, dress codes are in place).

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You are right and my opinion is that in coming 5/10yrs we will see alot alot more nunga punga ppl. People have forgotten what happened to old communites who went nunga punga.

cheers!

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