Najeeb786....trust in Allh...you will find a better girl. And no, *it is not normal for a Pakistani to go around wearing a skirt. Besharam behaya larki. *
It annoys me so much seeing Muslim women dress like that. Especially the ones who come in front of their baap like that.
You should qualify your statement if the legs are covered as per Islamic dress code then there is nothing wrong with wearing Skirt. If the legs are exposed then it is very distasteful on the part of a Muslim woman.
No matter how modern or how liberal or how enlightened a Muslim is , it cannot be proven that Islam allows exposing legs like that.
I could take Hijab or no hijab as a grey area as per various interpretation of Islamic dress code. But none of those interpretations can prove that exposing legs like that in Public is allowable for a Muslim woman.
Najeeb786....trust in Allh...you will find a better girl. And no, it is not normal for a Pakistani to go around wearing a skirt. Besharam behaya larki.
It annoys me so much seeing Muslim women dress like that. Especially the ones who come in front of their baap like that.
I wonder why I'm totally comfy with short-sleeves but can't wear knee-length skirts (my hubby wants me to wear them). Isn't it one and the same thing.... if you can bare your arms, why not bare your calves and ankles too.... nahin.** Is it because short-sleeves are more acceptable culturally in Pakistan? **I've also seen a lot of women and girls wearing deep necklines. So, why do the skirts bother us Pakistanis so much when short-sleeves and big necklines don't?
P.S. I can't even wear Capris.... whats wrong with me?
Bit in bold is definitely true imo, in our culture, altho both are not really allowed Islamically, for some reason it's considered a lot worse to show legs, even just at home for most families whilst I know a lot of Arab girls who are really really practising and modest outside, wear hijab and abaaya but wear next to nothing (v.short skirts, shorts etc.) when at home with just their family.
My situation is similar to Mixed Beauty's, my parents (mum more) were funny about me showing my legs even at home when I was 12/13 but now I'm older they're very relaxed and I don't really have any 'rules', I do wear short skirts in front of them, shorts, swimsuits as well and also outdoors (but not so often). I don't know many other Pakistani girls who do but I do know quite a few Bengali and Indian Muslim girls who dress that way regularly, I think nowadays their parents tend to be a little less strict..
I also knew an Indian Shia Ismaili girl whose mum would literally wear knee-length skirts every day lol and in those days I thought it was really strange what with her being my mum's age and apparently religious till I found out they don't believe in covering like 'regular' Sunni Muslims do..
Najeeb786....trust in Allh...you will find a better girl. And no, it is not normal for a Pakistani to go around wearing a skirt. Besharam behaya larki.
It annoys me so much seeing Muslim women dress like that. Especially the ones who come in front of their baap like that.
I wore my recent grad-ish ceremony dress in front of my Dad. My father was there as was the rest of my family. It came to my knees, so you could see only the calves. It was sleeveless, and I had something over it to cover my arms. It looked like a conservative black dress from American standards, and no one in their right mind would have called me a whore for it. Except Pakistanis. But like I said, it was a special occasion and we were all sharing a special moment with people we've worked with, and we've all seen each other in the worst of conditions. So, if they saw a lil bit of leg for once, big whoop. In fact, I jokingly told them that this was my gift to them : I've never shown my legs ever, but because I consider them all my family, I find it perfectly acceptable to show a little leg to them on a joyous occasion.
But then, I guess I don't expect anyone to understand what I've been through these past years. Only people who have done it understand it.
This maybe construed as a stupid question nevertheless I'm till going to ask it.
How 'normal' is it for a Muslim girl to wear a knee-length skirt at home as well as work. I know Islamically it's wrong but I'm asking in general terms.
The reason I ask is that I was chatting to someone who thought this was normal, suffice to say we weren't 'compatible'. She did mention that quiet a number of her friends dress the same and she has had many rishtay and the oldies haven't said anything.
....And before you say she supposedly declined the few rishtay that she got.
I just wanted to know whether this is now widespread?
Islamically speaking it's not wrong for her to wear skirts at home..
Although I do remember reading in a book a long time ago that one day the sun did not rise for ages, people became worried and asked Hazrat Mohammad s.a.w why the sun hadn't risen... Hazrat Mohammad s.a.w prayed to Allah swt after which he was told that the sun hadn't risen because of embarrassment ... a single head hair of Hazrat Khadija was visible. !! So the sun hadn't risen because of embarrassment, even though she was in the comfort of her home.
However, I'm guessing with my limited knowledge that this level of strictness in modesty does not apply to "normal" women like us... Hazrat Khadija was on a different level.. we can't be compared to her... We can wear whatever we want in our own homes infront of our husbands. And we dont have to cover our hair infront of close family members and friends. right?
^Yeah, there were other things that were only applicable to them and not us, I think one was to do with not remarrying or something, can't remember exactly..
A while ago I was reading about this tribe in Saudi Arabia where the women always cover their faces and never let their husbands see them, one hubby did manage to sneak a peak at his wife's face one day so she immediately demanded a divorce lol... Seriously, how strange would it be never knowing what ur other half looked like and being 'intimate' with a face veil kept on??
I don't wear short skirts/shorts in my own home, but I'm not married either. It's not that my parents had laid any ground rules on what I could wear inside my house, I just choose not to because I'm used to having my legs covered. Maybe it's just me, but I understood that while I should feel comfortable to wear whatever I want at home, there can be unannounced guests.
I've heard some people say that sometimes the environment in a house can influence one's thinking on what is acceptable and what is not. If there is a house with brothers and they see their sisters modestly dressed, they realize from the examples in front of them that girls should be dressed modestly, their bodies respected. I'm not saying that the brothers won't ever look at a girl showing lots of skin out in the streets. But they at least differentiate between the way the other girls are dressed vs. their sisters. Another thing that could be brought up is if a girl should be able to have her legs uncovered in front of her male cousin/"brothers."
I've also heard of incest as a reasoning, which is extreme, but I've heard that in Islam siblings should not be too close because it can lead to incest. Perhaps a brother might find a sister dressed in a short skirt appealing... a sick thought, but I'm just throwing that out there as another idea why some girls dress modestly even in their own homes.
You raise some interesting points. As I mentioned earlier, my fiance’s family is less conservative than my own. My fiance did grow up with having an older sister that has no problem wearing shorts, short skirts, and sleeveless things around the house (and outside the house). His mom is obvi more modest than that but also wears sleeveless. It’s like he has become desensitized tho. In my opinion, when you are not exposed to something it is natural to become more curious about it. Since he was, he never really cared to to wonder about what girl’s legs look like or grew up checking out goris once he hit highschool and college. He was just like eh whatever. And just because he grew up in a “less modest” household … doesn’t mean he doesn’t think women shouldnt be dressed modesty and bodies shouldn’t be respected. He does think this way but he also believes “to each their own”. Who is he to dictate how one should dress - that is what he always says. He tells me that he will only have an opinion and rules once he has daughters of his own. LOL. He respects the fact that me and my family are more modest.
I think growing up in a household like that only made him more tolerant and less judgmental of an individual. He is one of the few Pakistani guys I have encountered that doesn’t judge a book by its cover immediately. Which I am a fan of. I wish more people were like this in our community… I wish even I was a bit more like this. I am guilty of it too at times.
And the whole siblings not being too close because it can lead to incest… EWE. But makes sense to me why it is common to find a huge separation between males and female family members in Pakistan and even here in the west sometimes. In Pakistan it makes me wonder…mabey because it is because of this siblings should not be close thing and the subsequent separation… that guys get so curious about random females on the street and have that NASTY STARING PROBLEM. Like they are not exposed to it at all in their own homes and lives so it is that whole “curiousity kills the cat” argument. And that is why they act like they have never seen a girl before!!! And make the females of Pakistan uncomfortable …even if they are completely covered up with a chador and everything??? Something to think about it. Because I have never felt uncomfortable here in the west… no staring issues… even tho “goray guys are immoral beasts”. They are so used to looking at females and skin … that they are de-sensitized to it and don’t feel the need to check out every chick on the street and give her the eyeball. Especially one that is more “conservative” by western standards.
Pakistani guys in Pakistan… aka our fellow muslims… that is another story. Completely dressed in a baggier shalwaar kameez with my hair and chest area covered by a chador, wearing simple flat sandals and no makeup … and I feel like I am wearing a tube top, stripper heels, and mini skirt by the way guys stare at you over there. :shudders:
In my opinion, when you are not exposed to something it is natural to become more curious about it. Since he was, he never really cared to to wonder about what girl's legs look like or grew up checking out goris once he hit highschool and college. He was just like eh whatever. And just because he grew up in a "less modest" household ... doesn't mean he doesn't think women shouldnt be dressed modesty and bodies shouldn't be respected.
Yeah, you're right too. It depends on the individual. I was just trying to think of reasons why girls might be expected to dress modestly in their own homes. And I know... eww, at the incest bit... but I'm sure it happens.
^ i personally feel incest would occur in a more conservative environment.
ofcourse incest is also heard of in the west ... but correct me i'f i'm wrong ... most of the incest that happens is between, for e.g. step brothers and sister, and step fathers? no?
rarely between a blood relation. in which case, the person in question was not randomly aroused by watching a leg, but was in general a sicktard.
I don't wear skirts but that's because I don't feel comfortable in them. They get too much unnecessary attention. I hate that kind of attention. That's really it.
I haven't seen many Pakistani girls in skirts, but they do wear capris that will ride up to their thighs...and of course that is with Kameez and barely there dupatta. Weird..
. . . any of them hardly look good in jeans 
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