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Google it up. The incident happened in late 79 or early 80s. Qurans were shipped from Karachi to NWFP ripped apart, herion stuffed in them and driven back to Karachi, were caught on the way I believe on Attock (you know when you cross the river Indus, where you can’t take pictures and there is a fort that houses political prisoners).
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Minah_ pa: Muslims would rather behead a woman in Iraq because she was "perecieved" to be working forthe Americans, but they will never desecrate a holy book.
What is worse taking life cannot be reproduced or desecrating a book that can be reproduced. I am sure Faisal and others can justify innocent beheadings as well.
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thats not the issue here verizon, but still 2 wrongs dont make a right. an you know that. are you saying we ignore one because the other still occurs? im afraid your point doesnae hold much water.
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Faisal shame on you..OG, UTD, Badshah Danda and others have led many a protest against excesses by individual members of the US military (btw how does a 20 year old red neck of low IQ on his own figure out which forms of humiliation work on Muslims…?) ..they have done all this despite the full realisation that the actions of the few do not represent the actions of the rest… yet they stood up and condemned any such acts
How can you assume they would ever resort to arguments which they..themselves have previously condemned (that is a victim mentality, lack of personal responsibility and outright denial) ?
In addition how can you assume they would ever compare the US military as being better “by comparison(barely)” to terrorists?
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Verizon, I am utterly disappointed in you. How low can you go? Where did you see me defending innocent beheadings. Either prove your statement or you should immediatly retract, or else another of random bannings are coming your way 
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IF you want to talk about “woe is me”..this should be the running ticker on Al Jazeera. “woe is me” is the raison d’etre for the muslim world. The riots that occured over a non-story, is a clear indication of their dilapidated sense of worth. “Oh god..why us?” “someone must have done this to us..” “how can a perfect system placed by god..be so against common sense of today”…I think muslims need a group hug. 
There..there fellas…it will get better..maybe in a millenia or two. 
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This one line says it all
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dunn fall in to the trap faisal, its called distraction by accusation. focus on the original point. we cannae let em get away with such insolence.
verizon; i was there a few months ago, but yeah, i'll check it out.
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Sometimes I think my fellow Americans just need to grow a little tougher skin.
I really don't much care why Muslims in Afghanistan perceive the need to riot in their own neighborhoods, defile their own Mosques and burn the Quran in their holy places when they hear a false (or true) story of an American soldier flushing the Quran down the toilet while feeling no such need to riot when some Muslim kills a cleric or uses a holy shrine as a military encampment. As long as they don't bring the riot to American streets and burn Mosques in America, why should I care.
It amazed me in the 1960's during the Watts riots that the black mobs burned and destroyed their OWN neighborhoods. They didn't take their insurrection to the suburbs.
Same thing after the Rodney King verdict. Burn baby burn. Next day, they had nowhere in their own neighborhood to buy food, water, gasoline or anything else.
Some people are just crazy and don't think things out so well. Why should I worry too much about what a bunch of loonies think and do? In evaluating the relative merits of evil in the world, some US soldier flushing the Quran down the toilet or some Palestinian using pages of the Bible to wipe his ass, really doesn't create much of a ripple. I know it and most educated people in the world know it too.
If you want to get all worked up over it and wet your pants in a tizzy because an AMERICAN flushed the Quran, fine. If it happened, it's not a real nice thing to do and the soldier should go to bed without having his fruit cup for dessert. But don't expect me to share your outrage and lynchmob mentality when you tolerate and/or condone much greater evils perpetrated by people who are not Americans, like, for instance, killing clerics and blowing up little kids in marketplaces in Iraq or pizza parlors in Israel.
Why is it that wrongs or perceived wrongs done by Americans are elevated in importance in certain parts of the world? Who cares? Sometimes it is more important just to recognize something for what it is rather than trying to figure out why something is as it is.
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^^ That was beautiful dude. Yer gonna win AGOY fer sure.......
Fruit cups.....thats ripe....
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"Some people are just crazy and don't think things out so well. Why should I worry too much about what a bunch of loonies think and do? "
MV, one should worry exactly because of this. There is little difference in the mindset of someone who is burning shops, killing their own countrymen based on some illperceived insult and someone who is flying planes into buildings. WHile I am happy they are doing it over there, their looniness knows no bounds.
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OG: Thanks. I just thought it was time to bring a little clarity to the topic.
Pinstripe: If you leave a young male child with Michael Jackson, he'll sleep with him. Do we really need to know why? If we understand what the loonies will do under a certain set of circumstances, we can protect ourselves. We'll never be able to prevent all the crazies in the world from becoming crazy. So why ask why?
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habibi, i'll tell you why you should drop the indifferent attitude, and start caring cuz
1) your boys are out there in the midst of this, the last thing they would want right now is face another militia and that too with widespread support.
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But don't expect me to share your outrage and lynchmob mentality when you tolerate and/or condone much greater evils perpetrated by people who are not Americans, like, for instance, killing clerics and blowing up little kids in marketplaces in Iraq or pizza parlors in Israel.
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2) This statement is so full of itself. maintaining your principles on this basis is petty to say the least. You should know by now, these lynch mobs dont have a monoply over the Quran, it is sacred to all muslims regardless, (americans included), and they aint all one stock. Should we be chuffed over 9/11 cuz of what rumsfield allowed in gitmo?
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"You should know by now, these lynch mobs dont have a monoply over the Quran, it is sacred to all muslims regardless, (americans included), and they aint all one stock."
Sorry Ma, can't hear you. Watchin' my Tivo, recorded an hour long special, "Best Beheadings of 2004".
I prefer a good beheading or carbombing to rioting anyday. Been a fun year huh?
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Fine. The Quran is sacred to all Muslims. I understand that. But I’m sure neither Faisal nor you nor a billion other Muslims would even contemplate joining a friggin riot, destroying your Mosques and burning the Quran because some US soldier flushed one down the toilet.
Really now. Be honest. Do you really put flushing a Quran down the toilet on the same page of evil as killing an iman or cleric? Does it stand right up their with Stalin murdering 30 million Russians or Hitler killing 6 million jews?
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og; with due respect, it wasnae adressed to you.
now kindly, shove off.
merci.
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Mooli khas gayi...lagta hai.. :D
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I am not retracting siht, ban me if you like,this is your BBQ afterall.
I did not say you in particular, I meant collectively to include all other pissed off Muslims using “Americans” for every mistake that they make. Some mullah gets his beard burnt smoking hashish, must be the BIC lighter manufactured in USA, lets go torch someones ford/chevy or a US consulate.
Americans are singled out because the world is jealous of our freedom, democracy, high standards and the fact that everyone is given an opportunity to make a better person of themselves. Islam states to treat everyone with equality but no Muslim country does that yet they all want to impose sharia and other stupid draconian laws from, I dont know old days (dig up the muslim calendar and figure out the dates for yourself). It does happen in US though that all are treated with equality. Now dig up isolated incidents and lets have at it.
I dont mean to side track but Muslims eversince the Ottomon empire have been blaming their ills on the west, I am certain before Americans it was the Brits, now since America is more popular its us.
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probably the news was intentionally spread... more than it actually happened in reality. i mean maybe it happened but not as much as the news was spread. cz they know muslims are all about "emotions". emotional heart, lack head.
what happened was what they expected.... waste more muslim blood.
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I rest my case.
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pd: what is khas? His post was kinda irrelavent, or... maybe i didnt get the point. in which case, am sorry.
mv: you may be miffed at the riots and thuggery, an you've every right to, however, in your sentiments you 1) totally undermine the actions of the americans soldiers, 2) you're indifference to the Quran being abused, something which is sacred to muslims worldwide, 3) you compare 2 wrongs to justify your argument.
You are underestimating the respect people have for the Quran. I'll tell yer, If someone was to do that to my face, my heart would be in my mouth. FYI we place the Quran high up in every house, so its not messed around with, it is never placed on the floor when its being read, and we wash each time before we touch thing for God sake, so contemplating the Quran anywhere near the toilet or even on the floor is a far thing.
So as crude as it seems, an unknown ImaM killed in jalalabad will not stir the same emotions as a Quran being flushed down the toilet. Thats why i say, it is not just a book, the Quran is like a family member. we are brought up to love it, learn it, revere and treat it with respect. If you diss it, it becomes personal. Thats why i said, mobs do not have a monoply over it.