Its just a PR Exercise for WILL smiths upcoming film !!!
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I hope it is more than PR.
Islam needs normal muslims to become superstars in another sense. But superstars becoming muslims is ok too.
ermm…excuse me?
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I am not the one whooping taibans behinds..no reason to be rude u know
TALIBAN BEFORE: fight till the last breath
TALIBAN AFTER: oops i better save my ass..i surrender lol
YoungBrat:
Why did you remove your signature? It was … interesting
"Sou Chohay kha kar billi haj ko chali ... "
I hope he embraces it, and not to publicize him and like other day to day ideologies they pick up from the street in their liking of it.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
First and foremost. To ask Ali for madad is shirk. Ali cannot help. You should ask only Allah. If He does not Will, you cannot get anything.
Second. Taliban are mujahideen. Look at the odds they are facing and the courage they are showing, even now. Did you see or read the press conference. What have the coalition forces done (bombed them when they were defenseless). There is a saying in Urdu shair kee aik din kee zindagee; geedar kee sou din kee zindagee say baihtar hotee hai. I would rather be a lion for a day.
hmmmmm i wonder if its true about the will smith news i heard someone saying it in my class..and sheraz ct wat u said abt taliban my reply to it is that if u were thr and 1000's of bombs are dropping from the sky wouldnt u be on the run ( or embrace death for no purpose)dont forget 70% of the taliban are the ones who fought the soviets (but that was face to face) so did they surrendered. they are not afraid of death but dying for no purpose ,yes!! they are afraid of that.looks like uve been watching CNN and BBc too much..............
im sorry for submitting a topic not concerned with "will smith" but i wonder how a muslim can talk in favour of a non muslim when they are fighting a muslim.bravo fact finder, well said brother.
i wouldnt be so happy, nation of islam is the worst sect that calls itself muslimc…they are worse than qadayanis and even chiristians…here are some excerpts from their own site…(dont worry admisn, link will be provided) and please dont get cracked up and saying i am not tolerant, because if saying anyone who believes allah SWT came to earth in person is not a muslim is being intolerant , then i wanna be one…
What the Muslims Believe
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We believe in the One God whose proper name is Allah.
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We believe in the Holy Quran and in the scriptures of all the Prophets of God.
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We believe in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.
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We believe in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.
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We believe in the resurrection of the dead, not in physical resurrection but mental resurrection.
*it contradicts the basic tenant of islam that we will be resurected in body and soul *
We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore, they will be resurrected first.
Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice as it has been written that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negro’s in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.
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We further believe in the judgement. We believe this first judgement will take place, as God revealed in America.
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We believe this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negro’s and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from names imposed upon him by his former slave-master. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names, the black peoples of the earth.
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We believe in justice for all whether in God or not. We believe as others that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality as a nation of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave-masters in the status of “Freed slaves”.
We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples, and we respect their laws that govern this nation.
- We believe that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black people into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends”. Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.
If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves.
We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people.
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We believe that we who declared ourselves to be righteous Muslims should not participate in wars that take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.
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We believe our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.
12. We believe that Allah (God) appeared in the person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930, the long awaited “Messiah” of the Christians, and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.
We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no God and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we can live in peace together.
http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/program/believe.htm
also check this out http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk4.htm
talks about how God is man, nauzubillah..so guys u see, will smith joins nation of islam (they should be renamed nation of kufr), SO WHAT…he might as well become a hindu and it would be same…
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also check this out for those of u who are not convinced that nation of islam is the biggest group of jack ass racist hate mongors who talk nothing but crap about non negros and even Allah SWT…
my case is done, no more need of evidence…
Allah bless u all… http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/courier_articles/art24.htm
i am sorry i m angry guys, but a true muslim cant help get mad at reading the lies they say against allah…you will get angry too if you do even a 5 min search on google and read only few pages that appear…
man, the more i read on, the more lies i find…check this site out http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/courier_articles/art27.htm
it calls Allah son of man, nauzubillah, i mean chiristians only say allah has a son nauzubillah, but they go and say allah is son of man nauzubillah mannnnnnnnnn i am mad rite now…sorry i keep adding sites, but its important to get the truth out…
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first of all Imam Ali is only a waseela..ofcourse only Allah can help but Imam Ali is one of Allah’s favorite ppl..anyways i dont expect u to understand
and btw what SHER r u talking about? i thought they were gona die fighting..yet all i hear now is they are surrendering..sher to phus phus nikla
CT are u brave enough to pick up a gun when thr are 100's of guns aiming at ur head .maybe if u surrender u might have a chance to i dunno escape or get rescued..dont say thr cowards.cuz the're not.those people are cowards who fly thousands of miles above and drop stuff...
at least the're fighting man ..its easy to give suggestions while sitting in a heated room and a very comforatble seat or sofa right next to ur puter my dear friend.
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** CT are u brave enough to pick up a gun when thr are 100's of guns aiming at ur head .maybe if u surrender u might have a chance to i dunno escape or get rescued..dont say thr cowards.cuz the're not.those people are cowards who fly thousands of miles above and drop stuff...**
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yup they arent coward...they can become SHER infront of their women..abuse them..torcher them..yup these r the real brave muslims..good job buddy
Why do you make assumptions before trying? Why don’t you make Mohammad (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) the waseela, if you need one that is. The next in priority would be the other prophets, and then Abu Bakr (who was given the title of al-siddique), then Omar, then Osman, then Ali.
I ask Allah directly and do not need a waseela.
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Thanks to cowards like you, who are happy at the defeat of mujahideen, that we have to see the day. Anyway, Muslims have seen worse and more disheartening defeats, but have always come out on top. Insha Allah, this we will see soon.
It reminds me of the hadeeth that there will be a time when Muslims will be in such miserable condition that when a true believer sees a corpse he will wish that he were dead, despite the fact that wishing death is not allowed. Disbelievers and those who prefer worldly life will just sit back and relax. But ultimately the tide will turn. I prefer to be in the former.
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Muhamed ali is a member of the Nation Of Islam, ie. he is racist as they believe the white man is the devil and blacks are superior. i am saying this because i heard him say this on television, so how can he be a great muslim example?!
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** CT are u brave enough to pick up a gun when thr are 100's of guns aiming at ur head .maybe if u surrender u might have a chance to i dunno escape or get rescued..dont say thr cowards.cuz the're not.those people are cowards who fly thousands of miles above and drop stuff...**
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yup yup agree....americans are the biggest coward ever, they spend soooo much money on training their soldiers but still they cant put them in harms way...just good for tv stunts and all....and btw why the hell do all shias on this forum hate taliban? even though they are trying their best to implement sharia
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** ...and btw why the hell do all shias on this forum hate taliban? even though they are trying their best to implement sharia
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Very good question brother. This brings out another issue that I have apparently touched. Their shariah is different. The Taliban follow the shariah of the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam), the one that the sahaba have given to us through the sunnah. That is not the shariah of the shias. Ther's comess from their Imams, which is not known even to the ordinary shia.
The shia beliefs I think warrants a new chain.
FF;
Your ignorance surmounts the highest peaks.
Your sahabahs and scholars were taught Islamic theology through our imams, the purified household of the ahl-bait (as).
The prophet (pbuh) has said that he has left behind two weighty things, none of which are your sahabahs. The quran testifies to the purity and sinlessness of the holy ahl-bait, "Those firmly grounded in knowledge".
Your 4 schools of thought did not exist at the time of yr sahabahs. Abu Baker was not Shafai or Hanbali, or Maliki. These scholars appeared hundreds of years after the holy prophet (pbuh).
Our imams (as) were present right from the prophet's (pbuh) time onwards. YOUR 4 scholars were students of OUR imams (as).
ON WHAT BASIS DO YOU CLAIM YOUR 4 SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS, OR THAT OR THE DEVIANT WAHAB ARE THE ONLY CORRECT REPRESENTATION OF ISLAM ?
Please explain on what basis is the shariat of the Taliban according to the holy prophet (pbuh), and why the majority of the great sunni world has rejected their interpretation of the qur'an ?
You do not know of the 12 holy imams (as) out of your own ignorance.
Don't blame your shortfalls on others.
Can sunnis and shias find some middle ground and put their difference behind.
P.S. I don't know whats the difference between shias and sunnis and I intend to keep it that way.