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It has been demanded even in the HR Commission Report that the certain Generals of the Amy should be tried for their crimes publicly.

That General Yahya Khan, General Abdul Hamid Khan, Lt. Gen. S.G.M.M. Pirzada, Lt. Gen. Gul Hasan, Maj. Gen. Umar and Maj. Gen. Mitha should be publicly tried for being party to a criminal conspiracy to illegally usurp power from F.M. Mohammad Ayub Khan in power if necessary by the use of force. In furtherance of their common purpose they did actually try to influence political parties by threats, inducements and even bribes to support their designs both for bringing about a particular kind of result during the elections of 1970, and later persuading some of the political parties and the elected members of the National Assembly to refuse to attend the session of the National Assembly scheduled to be held at Dacca on the 3rd of March, 1971. They, furthermore, in agreement with each other brought about a situation in East Pakistan which led to a civil disobedience movement, armed revolt by the Awami League and subsequently tot he surrender of our troops in East Pakistan and the dismemberment of Pakistan:

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Look, the great soldiers of the Glorious Army were even involved in the robbery at a Bank.

*That allegations of indulging in large-scale looting of property in East Pakistan including theft of Rs.1, 35,00,000 from the National Bank Treasury at Siraj Ganj persistently made against Brig. Jehanazeb Arbab, former Commander 57 Brigade, Lt Col (now Brig) Muzaffar Ali Zahid, former CO 31 Field Regiment, Lt. Col. Basharat Ahmad, former CO 18 Punjab, Lt. Col Mohammad Taj, former CO 32 Punjab, Lt Col Mohammad Tufail, former CO 55 Field Regiment and Major Madad Hussain Shah of 18 Punjab, as set out in paragraph 24 and 25 of Chapter I of part V of the Supplementary Report, should be thoroughly inquired into and suitable action taken in the light of the proved facts.
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And acquiring lands through illegal means is not a recent phenomenon...for every sq. km of land they surrender to enemy without fighting they get several plots of land in the posh areas of major cities.*

(vii) That it is necessary to investigate into the allegations, as set out in Paragraphs 9 to 14 of Chapter 1 of Part V of the Main Report, to the effect that senior Army Commanders grossly abused their official position and powers under the Martial Law to acquire large allotments of land, and obtained substantial house buildings loans on extremely generous terms from certain banking institutions with which they deposited large amounts from departmental funds entrusted to their care. Those found guilty of corrupt practices should receive the punishment they deserve under the military law or the ordinary criminal law of the land as the case may be.*

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After reading the whole report I can say no 'Arabist' and 'Socialist' can be as shameless and coward as these clowns of the Glorious Army.

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There should be a public trial

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One can repeat a lie so often that liars and their supporters start believing in them as "facts".

Pakistan army does have bad eggs like any other organizations. Take the case of Jihadi generals like hameed gul. However they are exceptions and not the norm.

This thread is about East Pakistan -now- BDesh. So talk about EP, BD, WP, or Pakistan. No need to hijack the thread. Some Indians have worked really hard to start and maintain this venomous chatter.

Off course. We should bring everyone to the public trial. Including the dead Indira and Manekshaw. Mankeshaw has openly admitted that he (on the orders of Indira) masterminded 60,000 bengali insurgents.

This clearly shows that Indira stoked insurgency in East Pakistan just like Iranian Mullahs are pushing insurgents in Iraq.

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^ The question that comes to mind is why it is wrong for Pakistan to support Kashmiri freedom struggle using tactics similar to what India used when stoking insurgency in East Pakistan? I’m sure Kashmiris are as freedom loving a people as Bengladeshis were. Maybe once Kashmir has been liberated, Indians would also pay some attention to what their security forces did in Kashmir (if not in East Pakistan)?

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060319/asp/look/story_5969733.asp

The bodies lie strewn on the ground. All are adult men, in civilian clothes. A uniformed man with a rifle slung on his back is seen on the right. A smattering of onlookers stand around, a few appear to be working, perhaps to remove the bodies.

The caption of the photo is just as grim as its content: ‘April 2, 1971: Genocide by the Pakistan Occupation Force at Jessore.’ It is in a book printed by Bangladeshis trying to commemorate the victims of their liberation war.

It is a familiar scene. There are many grisly photographs of dead bodies from 1971, published in books, newspapers and websites.

Reading another book on the 1971 war, there was that photograph again ? taken from a slightly different angle, but the bodies and the scene of the massacre were the same. But wait a minute! The caption here reads: ‘The bodies of businessmen murdered by rebels in Jessore city.’

The alternative caption is in The East Pakistan Tragedy, by L.F. Rushbrook Williams, written in 1971 before the independence of Bangladesh. Rushbrook Williams is strongly in favour of the Pakistan government and highly critical of the Awami League. However, he was a fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, had served in academia and government in India, and with the *BBC *and The Times. There was no reason to think he would willfully mislabel a photo of a massacre.

And so, in a bitter war where so many bodies had remained unclaimed, here is a set of murdered men whose bodies are claimed by both sides of the conflict! Who were these men? And who killed them?

It turns out that the massacre in Jessore may have been genocide, but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists.

It is but one incident, but illustrative of the emerging reality that the conflict in 1971 in East Pakistan was a lot messier than most have been led to believe. Pakistan’s military regime did try to crush the Bengali rebellion by force, and many Bengalis did die for the cause of Bangladesh’s independence. Yet, not every allegation hurled against the Pakistan army was true, while many crimes committed in the name of Bengali nationalism remain concealed.

Once one took a second look, some of the Jessore bodies are dressed in *salwar kameez *? an indication that they were either West Pakistanis or ‘Biharis’, the non-Bengali East Pakistanis who had migrated from northern India.

As accounts from the involved parties ? Pakistan, Bangladesh and India ? tend to be highly partisan, it was best to search for foreign eye witnesses, if any. My search took me to newspaper archives from 35 years ago. The *New York Times *carried the photo on April 3, 1971, captioned: ‘East Pakistani civilians, said to have been slain by government soldiers, lie in Jessore square before burial.’ *The Washington Post *carried it too, right under its masthead: ‘The bodies of civilians who East Pakistani sources said were massacred by the Pakistani army lie in the streets of Jessore.’ “East Pakistani sources said”, and without further investigation, these august newspapers printed the photo.

In fact, if the Americans had read The Times of London of April 2 and Sunday Times of April 4 or talked to their British colleagues, they would have had a better idea of what was happening in Jessore. In a front-page lead article on April 2 entitled ‘Mass Slaughter of Punjabis in East Bengal,’ The Times war correspondent Nicholas Tomalin wrote an eye-witness account of how he and a team from the BBC programme Panorama saw Bengali troops and civilians march 11 Punjabi civilians to the market place in Jessore where they were then massacred. “Before we were forced to leave by threatening supporters of Shaikh Mujib,” wrote Tomalin, “we saw another 40 Punjabi “spies” being taken towards the killing ground?”

Tomalin followed up on April 4 in Sunday Times with a detailed description of the “mid-day murder” of Punjabis by Bengalis, along with two photos ? one of the Punjabi civilians with their hands bound at the Jessore headquarters of the East Pakistan Rifles (a Bengal formation which had mutinied and was fighting on the side of the rebels), and another of their dead bodies lying in the square. He wrote how the Bengali perpetrators tried to deceive them and threatened them, forcing them to leave. As other accounts also testify, the Bengali “irregulars” were the only ones in central Jessore that day, as the Pakistan government forces had retired to their cantonment.

Though the military action had started in Dhaka on March 25 night, most of East Pakistan was still out of the government’s control. Like many other places, “local followers of Sheikh Mujib were in control” in Jessore at that time. Many foreign media reported the killings and counter-killings unleashed by the bloody civil war, in which the army tried to crush the Bengali rebels and Bengali nationalists murdered non-Bengali civilians.

Tomalin records the local Bengalis’ claim that the government soldiers had been shooting earlier and he was shown other bodies of people allegedly killed by army firing. But the massacre of the Punjabi civilians by Bengalis was an event he witnessed himself. Tomalin was killed while covering the Yom Kippur war of 1973, but his eye-witness accounts solve the mystery of the bodies of Jessore.

There were, of course, genuine Bengali civilian victims of the Pakistan army during 1971. Chandhan Sur and his infant son were killed on March 26 along with a dozen other men in Shankharipara, a Hindu area in Dhaka. The surviving members of the Sur family and other residents of Shankharipara recounted to me the dreadful events of that day. Amar, the elder son of the dead man, gave me a photo of his father and brother’s bodies, which he said he had come upon at a Calcutta studio while a refugee in India. The photo shows a man’s body lying on his back, clad in a lungi, with the infant near his feet.

Amar Sur’s anguish about the death of his father and brother (he lost a sister in another shooting incident) at the hands of the Pakistan army is matched by his bitterness about their plight in independent Bangladesh. They may be the children of a ‘shaheed,’ but their home was declared ‘vested property’ by the Bangladesh government, he said, in spite of documents showing that it belonged to his father. Even the Awami League ? support for whom had cost this Hindu locality so many lives in 1971 ? did nothing to redress this when they formed the government.

In the book 1971: documents on crimes against humanity committed by Pakistan army and their agents in Bangladesh during 1971, published by the Liberation War Museum, Dhaka, I came across the same photo of the Sur father and son’s dead bodies. It is printed twice, one a close-up of the child only, with the caption: ‘Innocent women were raped and then killed along with their children by the barbarous Pakistan Army’. Foreigners might just have mistaken the ‘lungi’ worn by Sur for a ‘saree’, but surely Bangladeshis can tell a man in a ‘lungi’ when they see one! And why present the same ‘body’ twice?

The contradictory claims on the photos of the dead of 1971 reveal in part the difficulty of recording a messy war, but also illustrate vividly what happens when political motives corrupt the cause of justice and humanity. The political need to spin a neat story of Pakistani attackers and Bengali victims made the Bengali perpetrators of the massacre of Punjabi civilians in Jessore conceal their crime and blame the army. *The New York Times *and The Washington Post “bought” that story too. The media’s reputation is salvaged in this case by the even-handed eye-witness reports of Tomalin in The Times and Sunday Times.

As for the hapless Chandhan Sur and his infant son, the political temptation to smear the enemy to the maximum by accusing him of raping and killing women led to Bangladeshi nationalists denying their own martyrs their rightful recognition. In both cases, the true victims ?Punjabis and Bengalis, Hindus and Muslims ? were cast aside, their suffering hijacked, by political motivations of others that victimised them a second time around.

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One can repeat a lie so often that liars and their supporters start believing in them as "facts".

Exactly, no matter how hard people try to hide facts but the crimes the Pakistan Army committed in Bengal, Balochestan and FATA will keep haunting them. Not a few generals but the whole upper echelon of the Pak army establishment is rotten.

Another gem from an another great General of the Glorious Army.

Lt. Gen Niazi, remarks [were] quoted by us in an earlier chapter, viz: "what have I been hearing about shortage of rations? Are not there any cows and goats in this country? This is enemy territory. Get what you want. This is what we used to do in Burma." (vide Maj Gen Farman Ali's Evidence).

Pakistan** army does have bad eggs like any other organizations. Take the case of Jihadi generals like hameed gul. However they are exceptions and not the norm.**

H. Gul is an another PMA educated moron who cannot tell his head from a tennis ball. Another thing people have to do to make this country a better place to live is to burn that lunatic asylum, normally known as PMA Kakul, to ashes.

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There you go! Blame the Indians...fantastic.

Why is it so difficult to admit the the govt and army screwed up big time with the result the country was cut in half? What more need to happen?

Bringing things up in an open trial need not result in hanging people but to surface the hidden strategic mistakes so that it doesn't happen again.

You cannot build instititions in a country where people are afraid of facing facts, good or bad

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Mir Jafar and Mir Sadiq conspired with and helped enemy of state, and they were noted as "traitors".

Awami Leagures conspired with and helped enemy state, and they are "heroes".

What a twisted logic produced by a very twisted set of faculties. Wow!

p.s. And people from "enemy state" will obviously support the "heroes". This is what enemies do. So Mr. Akhtars and Manobs and Sha's and Manek-Sha's will continue helping even more traitors.

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again you make me to write something....all this caption what do you want to show????i dont know...i think you wanted to make the topic false right???now let me give you some information.....selwar kameej is also a dress of bangladeshi woman....and bangladeshi young girl used to wear salwar kameej...and the aged or married women wear sarries...now why r you shouting about jassore???why not dhaka???in dhaka 25th march pakistani army killed almost every bangali army police and other armed forces....now other thing is you tried to make pakistani army some kind of angel of heaven right????tell me from 13-15th dec and even in 16th dec pakistani army went to almost every university proffessor's house and butchered them and dump their bodies in rayerbajar..beside buriganga river...this professors (and some doctors also) were not involve in libaration war...can you tell me why did they killed them???let me tell you about one man....prf.dhirendronath ray...a proffessor of physics a man who was so fond of book that he even dont know what was going on...the day before pakistani killed him...a student went to his resident and asked him to leave dhaka...he surprisedly replied 'why should i leave dhaka why i heard sound of gunfire everyday...whats going on??' in 15th dec they killed this saint...i dont know what to say but pakistani wont take their army under justice but dont try to refuse their crime and the other thing is from 25th march to 16th dec of 71 bihari were the main controling power in everywhere in bangladesh...bangali knew that the bihari wont support them but they didnt realize they would be so brutal after 25th march....there were no killing before 16th dec and even though mukti bahini killed many rajakars like albadar alshams who were bangali...and why not bihari???at that time who killed your brother and sister what will be your answer???im inviting you to bangladesh...come and see what your army and biharis did...i can challange, if you have a human inside, you wont stop your tears...thats all i can say....

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ok so...bangladesh(east pakistan) was an enemy state???at last you talk like your generals.. thats the thing you west pakistani were thinking since 1947

and the other thing is bangladesh dont need to help any traitors anymore....cause we dont have any dictators left...we slapped and kicked them out of our country....though we had to loose many lives....we succeed

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i said natural....fool

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this is for third time i shout for pride...why he is banned????can anyone tell me?????please

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A) Funny how you twist and turn to ignore the role of Indian midwife called Indira who helped bring the BDeshi baby in this brave new world.

If you don’t know she sent 60,000 insurgents in a sovereign territory called East Pakistan. And then she boasted about it. If in doubt go read Manekshaw’s interviews on Rediff. Awami Leagurers played the role of Mir Jafar and Mir Sadiq when they helped Indians to destroy Pakistan. Shame on those who destroy their own country.

B) hhaha. You are funnier when you say BDesh doesn’t have any dictators left.

So what is USA telling your current government about “lifting emergency”? Is this emergency enforced by a non-dictator? Oh you guys are so innocents nay simpletons.

Hello! BDesh is being ruled by Army Junta. This is 2008 so quit living in the fantasy world of 1970s.

Read more about the “democratic” rule in BDesh.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h6fY37AEhnNcHvZ8ZSMdAF6NAMhQD90I28T00

C) Sh. Mujib was a leader in Pakistan. You guys butchered your Bundhu and not just him, but every one including children and woman.** FYI Sh. Mujib and his family was brutally murdered by Bengalis.** Only one daughter survived just because she was out of “sonar bangla”.

D) BDeshis have sent 100,000s to concentration camps just because they are non-Bangali “traitors”.

E) So moral of the story is — Live in 2008 bro! The world has changed a lot, and everyone knows that BDeshis are not that democratic that want everyone to believe in. Just read up on the on-again off-again rules by BDeshi military. Oh yeah they are not dictators. hahaha!

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first of all…i live in bangladesh ur not. bangladeshi army is not in rule right now and they are helping our new caretaker govt. am i clear???and even though america is shouting about imergency…they always shout…but did you heard any protest from our rural people???ans is no..cause they r not dictator who grab the power…and if they r dictators people will protest them…i told you that we r not pakistani…we dont except dictators like mosharrof and so on…

and the second thing bangladeshi army is a very brutal army right??can you give me an example of genocide or rape done by bangladeshi army???i can give you about your army and not only in 71 till now your army have a reputation of being rapist…whatever..you heard about bangladeshi army reputation in un…i think you dont..

and even in this days …our army is helping our people by rebuilding houses who lost their house in shunami and some days ago when we feared that nargees will attack our country…our army helped to cut paddy from the field…

we were ruled by army in last '90, he was kicked away. whatever…

mujibur rahman was killed by some mislead army…gandhi ji also killed same way…

indira gandhi sent 60,000 insurgents ok…but when???i want to know can you tell me???

and bangladeshi sent 100,000 non-bangalis in concentration camp???where???i dont think you are talking about the coward army captured by mitro bahini???if so…bro they were pakistani rapist army.

sayin anything or writing is cool bro..i invite you to come to my country and then i can prove what you fathers did in ours territory…

the moral of my ans is..bro im not living in 70…but i dont try to deny any crime done by my nation…not like you bro…and my advice is bro try to live in this world…in this world if you did a crime…you should be charged and try to confess…in my early post i told that confessing a crime is not in your blood…is that wrong???i dont think so…bye bro

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Looks like you are saying BDeshi Army can kick out elected government and still not be a dictator. Wow. That's a new method of analyzing dictatorship.

So a Bengali general can do whatever in BDesh, it is OK by your standards.
If on the other hand a Pakistani general does exactly the same in "Pakistan", you get mad.

**This my bro is called "double standard" at the very least, and you are using it without even realizing it.

However one can also sense ethnic chauvinism that says all of my people are good people, and all of your people are bad and hence they should be thrown in camps.
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It is terrible that BDesh still has people like you, who are hell bent in creating hatred on trumped up charges.

It is time we all move away from ethnic chauvinism and concentrate on building bridges. Unfortunately some people will use the made up history to burn the very same bridges.

p.s. Killing of Sh. Mujib was done by Bengali army that you call mislead? What is that thing? Why did Bengalis murder every man, woman, and child of Sh. Mujib? This is hight of brutality against the so called founder of a country. My hunch is that BDeshi army knew Sh. Mujib is about to sell BDesh and they stopped him by murdering him and utterly destroying his blood line.

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Hello gentlemen!

How are you?

I don't understand the part where you say India sent 60000 insurgents into East Pakistan. Is that true? Or are you referring to the Indian army that was sent to assist them?

Regards
Pundit Vikram

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Pudit bro! This is 100% true. Read or watch Mankeshaw's interviews. He was Gen. Mankeshaw btw. An old British-Indian army officer who was the head of Indian army in the 1970s.

Indira funded and supported a huge insurgency in the sovereign that is undisputed territory of East Pakistan. As a result 100s of thousand Pakistanis died. This was not too different from what Iran and Syria are doing in Iraq.

This is a tragic story that not many Indians know about.

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Hey friends. The thread has no meaning. It was started with bad intention and its title was edited once without making truthful and honest attempt to find the justice for lost lives.

The thread is meant to throw mud on Pakistan and Pakistani people and freeing others from responsibility of being the part in this sad event.

The title should be against ANYONE who was involved in the crimes against humanity.

A biased thread with biased intention.