Will responsible Pakistan Army officers be tried for East Pakistan mas

[sTaLkEr]

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the sad fact is that the bengalis got what they asked for. They allied with India and received a sound beating for it. Every nation does EVERYTHING to prevent disintegration and unfortunately the people who suffered were the collateral damage. Pakistan had every right to do what it did, and had every right to go on the offensive to prevent its disintegration.

[pride]

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@stalker

the sad fact is that the bengalis got what they asked for. They allied with India and received a sound beating for it.

It is not correct. Bengalis won the 1970 elections. It was right of AL of Mujib to form government of Pakistan. They were not allowed. I think that was the biggest injustice done to Bengali brethern. West Pakistani generals and dictatorship were solely responsible. These all rapists, killers, detroyer of infrastructers, Bank looters should have been brought to justice, but they were not. That is another most unfortunate episode of Pakistan's history.

[StirCrasy]

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Does anyone know why exactly Mujib's Awami League was disallowed from forming a majority government in Pakistan? Was there a elected government in place during elections that simply disallowed transition of power or was it a military?

[pride]

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General Yahya Khan the military dictator was the president of Pakistan at that time. He and his generrals were totally against Bengalis’ ruling both wings, so they took excuse of Six Points of Shaikh Mujib that he was going to separate the East Pakistan if these points were implemented.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Mujib’s six points program. Had AL was given the government of Pakistan, not only Bengladesh would have still been East Pakistan but also equal distribution of wealth and power to four provinces of West Pakistan, now Pakistan. Today we see lots of peoples’ grievances from Baluchistan, NWFP and Sindh provinces against Federation.

Six Point program

1. The constitution should provide for a Federation of Pakistan in its true sense on the Lahore Resolution and the parliamentary form of government with supremacy of a Legislature directly elected on the basis of universal adult franchise.
2. The federal government should deal with only two subjects: Defence and Foreign Affairs, and all other residual subjects shall be vested in the federating states.
3. Two separate, but freely convertible currencies for two wings should be introduced ; or if this is not feasible, there should be one currency for the whole country, but effective constitutional provisions should be introduced to stop the flight of capital from East to West Pakistan. Furthermore, a separate Banking Reserve should be established and separate fiscal and monetary policy be adopted for East Pakistan.
4. The power of taxation and revenue collection shall be vested in the federating units and the federal centre will have no such power. The federation will be entitled to a share in the state taxes to meet its expenditures.
5. There should be two separate accounts for the foreign exchange earnings of the two wings ; the foreign exchange requirements of the federal government should be met by the two wings equally or in a ratio to be fixed; indigenous products should move free of duty between the two wings, and the constitution should empower the units to establish trade links with foreign countries.
   *]East Pakistan should have a separate militia or paramilitary force.

[StirCrasy]

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If East Pakistan was more populous than west, how did the west become the power center in the first place?

[pride]

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You have not read my above post. Pakistan was mostly ruled by Military dictaorship from Punjab. They did not want majority Bengalis to rule West Pakisnis. After separation of East Pakistan, they also did not want democracy to take its root. More over successive US governments always supported dictatorship over democracy and spent $Billions in army to strengthen its rule. Is it difficult to understand this?

[StirCrasy]

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^ oh I am not questioning your list of what happened and the 6 point or what Yahaya and co did. I was just wondering why at partition time the captal and power center was all located in the west and not the east

[pride]

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Because military/power base was concentrated in former West Pakistan's Punjab. Power brokers of the time continued colonial ways of rule copied from their original colonial masters, the Britishers.

[janab-e-ali]

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@StirCrasy

I was just wondering why at partition time the captal and power center was all located in the west and not the east

My guess would be because Karachi (the erstwhile capital of Pakistan) was arguably the country's most important port, and business/financial center, and had the most modern, British-built infrastructure.

[The_Saracen]

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@pride

It is not correct. Bengalis won the 1970 elections. It was right of AL of Mujib to form government of Pakistan. They were not allowed. I think that was the biggest injustice done to Bengali brethern. West Pakistani generals and dictatorship were solely responsible. These all rapists, killers, detroyer of infrastructers, Bank looters should have been brought to justice, but they were not. That is another most unfortunate episode of Pakistan's history.

as long as you are including Zulfukar Bhutto in the 'dictatorship' then you are right. Mujeeb had the right to form government but Yahya and Bhutto did not accept his victory.

[hanibal]

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Jute fiber has been replaced with Fiber Glass and other synthetic fibers that are much stronger and are not biodegradable.................:(

So apart from Jute fiber, Bengalis didn't have anything else to depend on???

Can any one tell me about the major contriutor in Bangladesh's GDP...

[hanibal]

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Because military/power base was concentrated in former West Pakistan's Punjab. Power brokers of the time continued colonial ways of rule copied from their original colonial masters, the Britishers.

Come on, give me a break, will u...

The Cheif Marshal- Law Admin. Gen Yahya was from NWFP, his fav. pal Zulfiqar Ali Bhutoo was sindhi, who mesmerised common man of West Pakistan by promising them < ROTI-KAPRA-MAKAN> , what Punjab has to do with all this. let me remind you, Ayoub Khan ( the president of pakistan 10 years) was from NWFP.

All the major players in this was non-punabies, and u influenced by the propoganda, is still saying that it is Punajbs fault. please do not make baseless accusition.

It is strange that, if a leader from Sindh do something, it is his name only, and if the leader from punjab do something, the province in blammed for this, can anyone or u tell me why? It is this poison of ethinic differences which took our Bengali brothers from us...

and i strongly believe amature behaviour of accusing some one and believing on a thing without confirming the source fo information is the reason of problems Pakistan is facing today.

(PS: Now please don't say thay, these rulers where just the puppet of Punjab and they were so dumb that they didn't know what to do and servants from Punjab use to derive them...)

[janab-e-ali]

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^^ I agree...if anything goes wrong in Pakistan, people seem to find a way to blame either Punjabis or Mohajirs (or both) for it.

[ummm]

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the sad fact is that the bengalis got what they asked for. They allied with India and received a sound beating for it. Every nation does EVERYTHING to prevent disintegration and unfortunately the people who suffered were the collateral damage. Pakistan had every right to do what it did, and had every right to go on the offensive to prevent its disintegration.

So pakistan had every right to rape innocent Bengalis.....

[Shak_killS]

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first i think its Pakistanis own fault that let the outsider get involve in east Pakistan by providing them an open oppertunity by not accepting Mujeeb Govt.

Indians were actively seeking revenge from the 65 war. Pakistan intellegence should have interuppted such RAW missions to create cells who supported all this.

3rdly one cant fight with own people. a political issue and ground reality wasnt accepted by West Pakistani leadership and its all Bhuttos ego and yahya khan in ability.

with so much vested interst in east Pakistan, India successfully created, do all believe that it was only Pakistani Army done the crimes against east Pakistanis?? and how easy for India to flare things up more by carry out such attacks to create more enmity against countrymen from east to west, and blame that on Pak Army to create more voilance,..

definitely there must have been some voilations by few Army men too, linked to all war like situations.

the ultimate winner of this situation was Only and only India and thats classed as "biggest acheivement of Ghandi family.." - Rahul Gandhi

Loosers were Pakistanis!

Initial Big mistake - Not accepting Mujib's win. Yahya, Bhutto and leadership
Failure to thawt enemy operations in East wing.
Failure to solve issues politically once esclated.
Failure to keep indians out of it and defending East Pakistan.

[Shak_killS]

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@ummm

So pakistan had every right to rape innocent Bengalis.....

no one has right to do that. there may be few incidents by some people to take advantage of war like situation, but the army wasnt there to carry out such attacks, they were to defend it from Army and keep peace in situation created by moron politicians and dictators in West Pakistan.

[ummm]

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@Shak_killS

no one has right to do that. there may be few incidents by some people to take advantage of war like situation, but the army wasnt there to carry out such attacks, they were to defend it from Army and keep peace in situation created by moron politicians and dictators in West Pakistan.

If that was the case, surely not as many as 200,000 bangladeshi women would have been raped?

Numerous women were tortured, raped and killed during the war. The exact numbers are not known and are a subject of debate. Bangladeshi sources cite a figure of 200,000 women raped, giving birth to thousands of war-babies. The Pakistan Army also kept numerous Bengali women as sex-slaves inside the Dhaka Cantonment. Most of the girls were captured from Dhaka University and private homes.[8]](Bangladesh genocide - Wikipedia)

Bangladesh genocide

[ummm]

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it was a **hindu **sponsored nationalistic hate campaign which was started in bangladesh resulted in such a bloody ugly civil war amongst muslims

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What? I thought the Jooooz also had a hand in the civil war?!

[Tariq_Akhtar]

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Q: will Pak army be tried for massacres in BD

A. They have been tried already and according to people of BD, were very succesful, unfortunately.

If anything they should be punished for the recurring coups first.

They should be punished for surrendering to the tribals (or al qaeda or both)

They should be punished for mounting offence without command or even information of elected government

They should be punished for land grabs

So, yeah, you gotta take number

[Robert]

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^^ that he was going to separate the East Pakistan if these points were implemented.

LOL, it separated anyway.