As opposed to a ‘muslim’ who has done nothing but sin?
sucks, don't it?
Hey, the Muslim who does nothing but sin ain't going to heaven either.
A kaafir who does good will recive his good in in this life!
E.g A hindu gives charity he will recive his good deed in the form of money, Izaat ect. ect
a muslim on the other hand will recive his good deed here and there (hereafter)
ratio hindu:muslim 1:2
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[This message has been edited by Shah Jahan (edited December 09, 2000).]
From what I was told was
the muslims who have sinned, once they have received their punishment in the hereafter i.e. hell will be allowed to enter heaven. You can say the hell is a purification chamber..
same with the non-muslims.. but they will not enter heaven until the last muslim has completed his punishment and entered heaven.
What we also have to remember is that the followers of other prophets... the folowers who did not deviate from the message.. are also considered muslims, as all prophets brought the same message.
and considering there were 125,000 or so prophets.. there is a large contingent of followers who did not believe in Muahammad (SAW).
First of all it is really up to ALLAH (SWT) as to who HU admits into HU's Paradise but the general understanding is that the destination of any Kaafir and Mushrik is the eternal Hellfire. As Allah (SWT) does not forgive the greatest of all Sins "the SHIRK". The Mushrikeens will abode in Hellfire for eternity. They will experience the Wrath of ALLAH (SWT) among other things just like the people of Paradise will experience the Mercy of ALLAH (SWT) among other things. Any good that they (Kaafir or Mushrik) may have done in this world will be rewarded in this world alone (they may be rewarded with wealth, fame, high positions or what ever they may desire) and no reward is left for the hereafter. As for a Muslim who has done nothing but sins but has not committed SHIRK will first have go to "JHANNAM" for purification then ultimately he will be admitted into paradise. As for a Muslim who has committed SHIRK will never be admitted into ALLAH (SWT) Paradise. Remember the purification period may run for millions of years!
waqas72,
What do you mean by the word Kafir?
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
mr.partypooper, i agree!!!!!!!!!!
the word kafir goes back to KUFR...which goes back to INKAR....(plz check surah BAQRA for references)......THis means that anyone who CONTRADICTS the quran in any way...be it haram food/shirk/any issue. If you contradict the quran, how are you doing something GOOD all your life???
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Originally posted by Mr Partypooper:
**waqas72,
What do you mean by the word Kafir?
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Although i have thaught several times about this,but i personally never do certain things that i will go to heaven,and i never tell in argument that kafir(non muslim) will go to hell.
It has been told that no muslim has the right to judge any other non muslim or muslim.
I guess , using the argument of hell/heaven to force ppl. to believe is coercion ,rather first believe in your faith & follow what you believe correctly without impurities that might have creeped into your practice & BE NON JUDGEMENTAL ABOUT OTHERS(nonmuslim).
That wasn't my point.
What does the word Kafir mean?
It does not mean non-Muslim. Be careful. Don't throw this word around lightly.
Do you see what I'm trying to say?
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
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Kafir (Singular)
Unbeliever. Someone who covers up the truth and rejects ALLAH (SWT) and Hu’s Messengers, may ALLAH (SWT) bless them and grant them peace. There are many different ways in which a person becomes a disbeliever in ALLAH (SWT).
Kuffar (Plular)
Unbelievers. Those who reject ALLAH (SWT) and HU's messengers, may ALLAH (SWT)bless them and grant them peace. There are different ways of not believing in ALLAH (SWT).
Kufr
Disbelief in ALLAH (SWT) Commands, including the refusal to accept whatever the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), taught. There are two levels of Kufr:
1. Kufr al-Akbar (major disbelief). Major Kufr is subdivided into five categories;
Kufr al-Taktheeb: Denying the divine truth.
Kufr Abaa wa Stakbara ma'al-Tasdeeq:Refusing to bow to ALLAH (SWT) due to pride, even though acknowledging the divine truth.
Kufr ash-Shakk wa Dhann: Doubting any or all of the six articles of faith (Aqaaid), even if not completely denying them.
Kufr aI-Iraad: Knowingly turning away from the divine truth.
Kufr al-Nifaq: Disbelief through hypocrisy.
2. Kufr aI-Asghar (minor disbelief). Being unappreciative of what ALLAH (SWT) has provided.
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does the word "kafir" signifies religious
equivalent of racial word.
does it only apply to arabs who have not embraced islam or it apply universally
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rvikz, in south africa, 'kafir' is a derogatory term used for darkskinned people of african origin.
In regards to religious connotations...i think Musalman has given an adequate definition.
Muslims will go to HEAVEN , no matter what they do in life including butchering women and children in Kashmir....
according to christaianity if you dont accept jesus you dont't go to heaven. jewish
claim they are chosen people. if you dont accept islam you dont go to heaven.
all three religen originated in mid-east
and mutually exclusive
chilli, buddy, i hope that was pure saracasm...
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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
**A kaafir who does good will recive his good in in this life!
E.g A hindu gives charity he will recive his good deed in the form of money, Izaat ect. ect
**
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and can you guarantee that all those who do good in this life will get a reward in this life, and will it be proportionate to his deed in nature or quantity? I don't think so. Things aren't so simple, cut and dried.
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Originally posted by Husain:
** and can you guarantee that all those who do good in this life will get a reward in this life, and will it be proportionate to his deed in nature or quantity? I don't think so. Things aren't so simple, cut and dried.
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Have you ever seen a blessing fall on you?
Have you not any brains to call Allah Adil(just)?
Have you not sense to know that Allah does good to those who do good?
Have you not seen that most kafirs are happy and content while muslims are bickering like Idiots (can you see the rewards of this life showing up)?
Does Allah not tell you that he will put Kafirs into hell meaning that they willl get Justice here(alllah adil hai)?
Are you myslim?
I think that all those people who have done good will get it in Qayamat!
[This message has been edited by Girl Thing (edited December 11, 2000).]
Shah Jahan,
Let me try and answer your questions.
* Have you ever seen a blessing fall on you?
I do consider myself lucky and blessed, But I do not see the relationship between the good or bad things I do and teh good or bad things that happen to me.
*Have you not any brains to call Allah Adil(just)?
Well that begs the question. Allah gave me the brains I reason with. I'm sure he wants me to think and ask lots of questions and not accept something only because someone told me that's how they believe things are. I dare to ask questions because Allah gave me good brains, my friend. I will only accept something if I am really convinced. Make no mistake, 80% of what people thin is islam is a lot of interpetations and cultural beliefs. Asking questions is not haram. Having doubts is only human. I'm not God.
*Have you not sense to know that Allah does good to those who do good?
I wish that were true. I have doubts, because I have see wonderful people suffer terribly. Awful immoral and dishonest people get away with terrible things. Not all things that happen are just. We wouldn't need judges and courts otherwise.
*Have you not seen that most kafirs are happy and content while muslims are bickering like
Idiots (can you see the rewards of this life showing up)?
I honestly don't think there are many happy human beings in this world, muslim or kafir.
*Does Allah not tell you that he will put Kafirs into hell meaning that they willl get Justice here(alllah adil hai)?
This is just what I am trying to understand - you are telling me this. I am not willing to accept that wrongdoers will get all their punishment in the hereafter.
and Kafirs in hell=justice here???? don't understand.
*Are you myslim?
No, I am muslim. Trying my utmost to seek enlightenment, willing as the prophet says, to go even to China for the sake to attaining knowledge.
Waqas72,
Check out these previous discussions for the answer to your question. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001822.html http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001880.html
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