wickedness of a woman

I am forced to ask this question after I have seen some religious people (and non religious people also) trying to prove it from authentic sources (I don’t remember the exact verses) and mention it quite often in their speeches that there is nothing more dangerous than wickedness (Mak’r) of a woman. Once a person even said to me that Hazrat Adam (a.s) rejected the offer of devil to eat the fruit from a tree in heaven, but it was only after devil convinced him through Hazrat Hawwa (a.s) and succeeded in his mission.

Such comments I have heard from people mostly after they come to know of any conspiracies going on in a family regarding any rishta, land, money, back biting…etc.
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Mostly those people give me an impression that they have nothing against woman, and woman plays the major role in the development of society in the form of a mother, wife, daughter and sister…etc. BUT if a woman wants to become evil, she can become a source of a major disaster.**

Kindly educate me why such a thinking exists and why do people try to prove it through authentic sources.

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what is, and what can be, are two different things, no?

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^ Good point. In other words a woman can be as good as an angel if she uses her mind for good reasons, but if she is forced or decides on her own to become evil, then she also posses a mind which might destroy a family or a nation.

But that doesn't give anyone an excuse to put a blame on the women after a family goes through any major disaster. Men of that family can equally be at fault. Not all men and not all women are the same. Correct me if what I perceive is wrong.

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i am not really clear with your question.....

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Men and women can both be evil if they wanto be.

There is no need to use Eve as an example, she was meant to do what she did otherwise we wouldnt have been living in this world today.

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does your question define 'woman' as wife or female .. or both?

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Mostly those people give me an impression that they have nothing against woman, and woman plays the major role in the development of society in the form of a mother, wife, daughter and sister...etc. BUT if a woman wants to become evil, she can become a source of a major disaster.

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If men want to be evil they can be evil too and cause a major disaster as well
and this type of thinking exists because we live in a male dominant society :(
Plus ppl back such thinking with hadiths when really there is nothing like this in the quran...

I don't know in which context people generally refer to it. But in most cases when I hear people talk in this perspective, they refer to them as "wife"

I have come to know that there are even woman who think like that when they refer to wives of someone else. Comments like " I know his wife might have persuaded him to take such a step....etc." have come from women also with the mentioning of "mak'r" of women.

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I always thought that it was Christianity that preached Eve's indiscretions as being the cause for the fall of mankind and Islam never put the blame on Eve/Hawaa?

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ok first off.. lets leave the story of adam/hawaa (AS) out of this.

right, getting back on topic, it depends on who the kinder heart belongs to and who has more taqwa

men can offer women abuse which is mainly in large-short term doses.. eg; violence; verbal etc.

women can offer abuse which is *mainly *in small-long term doses.. eg psychological

although it is possible for the above roles to switch, the majority of abuse from either side is as such mentioned

i've seen men getting abuse from their wife and due to not having to go through a divorce, they try their best to keep the marriage together.. and vice versa

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^ Makes sense. Though there is a possibility of a woman being involved in any conspiracy, I personally think mostly when men use this term, they only do it to hide their own flaws and put the blame on women. The same men wouldn't give the credit to women if the same women contribute in a great achievement.

p.s. Alright, I just realized that some people might consider the title as offensive (though my intentions were not to offend anyone). My request to mods to change it if they think it is appropriate to do so.

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think of a family as a hierarchy structure

the husband is the Boss of the family, and the wife is the Board of Directorates

if the Board was to be evil then it can bring the Boss down. if the Board does a good job, then they can make the Boss the best there is out there

of course, include taqwa into there too.. for to let your other half manipulate you down the path of sin.. you only have yourself to blame for giving in to them eh?
remember, forgiveness is the key.

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i think thats totaly indian soup mentality......

more like biryani :daaghu2: :yummy:

yeah like there are a million threads on MIL and SIL, etc in this forum maybe people get it from that :)

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Yeah like the saying also goes "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"... and I always hear people in my family and around me saying that "aurat chahay to aadmi ko barbaad karsakti hai." Never really experienced it or seen it myself, but I have seen it the other way around, men destroying women's lives and whatnot.

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I think both are equally as destructive. However, IMO it has to do with culture too.

Women are blamed for not having boys like its their fault.

Women are blamed if marriages dont work out.

Women are blamed for kids not turning out the way they're supposed to.

Women are blamed if the son turns his attention away from his parents and gives it to wife.

Women are blamed for the fall of mankind.

What else is new?