im still tring to understand the use of muta in islam which i never seen in quran or any where .does any one know?
Mehak sis, forget it…. its useless to argue on issues which have no grounds.
There is no association of such miserable directives with Islam, far and wide. It’s an addition in Islam according to ones need.
Those who practice this particular norm also believes that it’s a sunnah of the Holy Prophet(saw). Thus providing their argument a firm corner.
My eyes turned wet when I read those words. Its painful to hear that the Personality who was made an icon of dignity and modesty for the whole mankind, performed such discreditable routine.
May I ask them a question, Did Prophet of Allah had time to think on such lousy tasks or it’s your seductive urge overlapping His spotless teachings?
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im still tring to understand the use of muta in islam which i never seen in quran or any where .does any one know?
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The answer can be as simple as "No! It has no place in Islam".
However, if you want to "listen" a lot more then I have to mention two points:
(1) "Nikah" is an agreement between two adults (of course a male and a female!) with their 100% willingness, in presense of (at least) 4 witnesses.
(2) "Nikah" is never supposed to be for a certain time limit.
Be couregeous to reject any theory (or stories) which differes with these basic points.
Salam-a-lekum,
Mutah is a very sensitive topic.
I agree with one point though that there are some people who abuse Mutah but its not the purpose of allowing Mutah.
The whole purpose of "allowing" Mutah is to :
*Give support to a widow or divorced Woman
*Keep yourself away from a Sin
Is that better to commit zina? or is that better to have a commitment with a girl to be her husband?
The conditions of Mutah (marriage) are:
*One must recite the aqd(sentence of acceptance)
**You need a witness
**there is the condition of Iddat
**There is the condition of Mehar (the bride's right)
**Any kid born will have father's last name and father will be responsible to take care of the kid
* Mutah can be and most of the time is changed into Marriage (Permananet Nikah)
**Mutah is normally practised during wartime when widows of shuhada need support.
**Approval of wife to do it. "If the wife says no, mutah is batil (not right).
**Mutah is "allowed" but in our day to day society of India Pakistan, its not practised .
**A country in a state of war normally goes for the option of doing Mutah.
*"if anybody fails to follow the conditions of Mutah, its NOT mutah, its zina (sin)."
**Again, I repeat,Mutah is "ONLY" allowed under certain conditions.
**People claim to have done Mutah sometimes without knowing the conditions associated with it and end up doing sin.
Now let me ask you this,
**Whats the difference between aqd-daime (the nikah or shadis that you normally do) with the permission of giving divorce and Mutah? Well, you are allowing those kinda Nikahs where a Male can destroy a female life by just yelling "Talaq, Talaq, Talq (divorce)" three times and its all over. Wow! and when somebody talks about keeping yourself away from Sin, that hurts you. What a double standard policy.
Let me ask you this, how many guys do you know who have a wife in Pakistan and are "dating, gambling, raping, and drinking beer" in Uk or USA? Maybe few. I know them. I know quite a few of them.
You really wanna know what they do?
Ok here. They call their parents in Pakistan and then call their wives and tell them how much they love them. Then, the same nite they get dressed and go do "partying" and "clubbing". Where the hell are these things coming from? Why double standards?
Why going insane and crazy for lust?
Why not be honest and truthful?
Do you like that kinda life style?
The stuff I mentioned above is called cheating, flirting, clubbing, dating, going out with girls or lets put it one way "filth" or "munaffiqat". Saying something else and doing something else. This is a terrible disease.
Is that better than having a commitment with a woman and giving her the rights to be a wife?
Its "very very very" difficult to completely follow the procedure of Mutah. You think, its a joke, its not. You need courage and guts to explain Mutah to a girl. Believe it or not, a western girl will go miles away from you if you ask her to do Mutah (Nikah) to you. Yes offcourse if you ask her to go out with you (which many of the guys here do), she'll be more than happy to do that with you. Is that better than having a commitment?
Sincerely,
Humble.
Humble you didn’t reply my question. The one which says that it is a sunnat-e-rasool.
Anyways according to my friend Humble, the rules of the game are;
>> One must recite the aqd(sentence of acceptance)<<**
yaar give me a break, who will enjoy to recite that aqad while keeping in mind that it’s a brief-bond and the whole purpose is sex and not shelter. If it is for the noble cause then after the dissolution who will give her a shelter? Another muttah, another meher another source of income, to me its not less than prostitution.
>> You need a witness<<**
Will you allow yourself to be a witness for one of your family members? Don’t hobble on words, be practical in life.
>> there is the condition of Iddat<<**
What will he do after that? Another muttah perhaps?. By the way how many Muttah are allowed at one time or consecutively. Again what will be the future of that lady after that?
>> There is the condition of Mehar<<**
Normally people don’t pay Meher in real life until several years of marriage. All have different reasons, some cant afford some say everything mine belongs to my wife, and so on. So how long do you suppose to be the time to pay that meher? Secondly the amount also ranges from one-fourth to one-half to twice the amount of the annual income, depending upon the commitment. If suppose one agrees to pay 5k then I think it will be better for him to go buy an air ticket and lots of presents for her real wife. Or perhaps he can give that lady that amount and let her enjoy the life.
>> Any kid born will have father's last name and father will be responsible to take care of the kid<<**
Yeah right, you know male is a very arrogant and mean specie, this is part of his innate nature. One reason why Islam forbids polyandry is Male being egocentric in nature will not fulfill his responsibilities. If a child is born out of one father, the real father will not accept that child in anyway and put the tag on other husband. So in this mutta case how can one be sure that he will be responsible for that child’s welfare, his education his upbringing etc?. And what if she performs mutta again and got more kids? Will the last husband provide funding for all the kids or his kids only? In what way this last name be beneficial to the kids future?
This remind me of a joke, a women went to welfare office and filed an application for her 10 kids all named mike, the officer asked the lady how do your kids know which mike you wants, the lady replied, I call them by their last name.
>> Mutah can be and most of the time is changed into Marriage (Permananet Nikah) <<**
This is again a very self-interested statement. It means if the girl is good at bed, or the male developed good understanding then he go for a permanent one other wise she will be dumped eventually.
>> Mutah is normally practised during wartime when widows of shuhada need support. <<**
Please give references, in what context it IS or WAS practiced? Also name any of those shuhada?
>> Approval of wife to do it. "If the wife says no, mutah is batil (not right) <<**
Show me a single girl who will allow her husband to go for it. Woman can’t tolerate that… How can this permit be availed from the wives? You have any word of advice for that?
The reason given by my humble friend to substantiate the above rules is as follows;
** >> Is that better to commit zina? or is that better to have a commitment with a girl to be her husband? <<**
zina or temporary commitment is same thing my dear friend. You are trying to give a legal cover to that immoral act. I think it will be better to buy a life-size-Barbie then to offer a mental and physical torture to someone for the rest of her life. This will solve 90% of the problem, for cooking and laundry seek Whopper and Laundromat.
{PS} please dont write in bold. you know I have sensitive eyes.
Nangey,
Well, first of all go change your name (nanga) because I feel like I am talking to a six month old baby (who is nanga)
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and I really doubt if you can argue like adults. I really wonder how did u come up with this name? Oh maybe your personality, thoughts, and values effected you while selecting the screenname “Nanga”.
Regarding your silly comments about Mutah, I’d only pray to Allah almighty to open your heart and also your mind to be more reasonable, sophisticated, educated, and ethical.
Hey Nangey,
You never answered my question:
“Now let me ask you this,
**Whats the difference between aqd-daime (the nikah or shadis that you normally do) with the permission of giving divorce and Mutah? Well, you are allowing those kinda Nikahs where a Male can destroy a female life by just yelling “Talaq, Talaq, Talq (divorce)” three times and its all over. Wow! and when somebody talks about keeping yourself away from Sin, that hurts you. What a double standard policy.”
And you never answered this question I asked you (maybe because you do not have an ansdwer for that), Now don’t avoid and answer:
“Let me ask you this, how many guys do you know who have a wife in Pakistan and are “dating, gambling, raping, and drinking beer” in Uk or USA? Maybe few. I know them. I know quite a few of them.
You really wanna know what they do?
Ok here. They call their parents in Pakistan and then call their wives and tell them how much they love them. Then, the same nite they get dressed and go do “partying” and “clubbing”. Where the hell are these things coming from? Why double standards?
Why going insane and crazy for lust?
Why not be honest and truthful?
Do you like that kinda life style?”
The stuff I mentioned above is called cheating, flirting, clubbing, dating, going out with girls or lets put it one way “filth” or “munaffiqat”. Saying something else and doing something else. This is a terrible disease.
Is that better than having a commitment with a woman and giving her the rights to be a wife?
**I know you will come up with some more silly questions or comments because that’s all you get paid for. Its NOT you Nanga, its your “Petroleum dollars” (Saudi Riyals) talking.
Humble.
Confused Humble, Divorce is not mere words, reciting three-time talaq-talaq-talaq and bingo you are free. The pronouncement of divorce at one and the same time is not permissible in Islam as usually people thinks. Each pronouncement of talaq is followed by a significant period of time before the next talaq affirmation so that a time is offered for both of them to reconsider the situation and work out their conflicts. Plus there are few more obligations attached.
According to Nasa’í, the Mohammet-sa was extremely angry when one day he was told that a person had made all the three pronouncements of divorce at one and the same time, and said: “is the book of God going to be made a plaything while I am yet among you?”
And lastly for your illogical Muttah concept, Allah says; “And those who find no means of marriage should keep themselves chaste, until Allah grants them means out of His bounty”.
Now show me your homework. i.e mutta is sunnat-e-rasool
The issue of temporary marriage carries a lot of references in it, and it is very difficult to give you briefly the answer in a comprehensive way from the evidence of the Hadith. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) allowed Mut'a marriage twice and forbade it twice. This means that it was permitted more than once but became forbidden (by Naskh or abrogation) the last time until the Day of Judgement. Therefore, Muslims are not to do it!
More later on...
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dakter hawaee teer na chalaoo, mustanid hawaloon kay saath jawab do.
talk with references, without them its just waste of time.
The whole purpose of "allowing" Mutah is to :
*Give support to a widow or divorced Woman
*Keep yourself away from a Sin
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humble jee salam..
im sorry but i m just tring to get my fact together.
according to what u have mentioned , give support to widow and divorced women...
do u think it will be a support for having muta for sometime and then leave em after taking advantage of them.
dont u think it would be much better marring them rather then doing muta.so they will live a respectfull life for themslef and for the kids .
Mehak,
Totally agree. Thats the whole point. Thats why, Mutah is NOT enforced, rather its only "Allowed". Read the words again sister.
your brother,
Humble
Mut'ah marriage means that a man marries a woman – either Muslim or from the people of the Book – and specifies how long the marriage will last, for example five days, or two months, or half a year, or many years. The beginning and end of the marriage are specified, and he pays her a small mahr (dowry), and after the specified time is over, the woman exits the marriage. This kind of marriage was permitted during the year of the Conquest of Makkah for three days, then it was disallowed and prohibited until the Day of Resurrection. This was reported by Muslim (1406).
**Ali reported, The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) forbade temporary marriage with women, and the eating of domestic asses, on the day of Khaibar.
(Bukhari).
The wife is the one with whom one stays on a long-term basis, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"… and live with them honourably …" [al-Nisaa' 4:19], but in the case of mut'ah a man does not live with the woman for long.
The wife is the one who is called a wife in sharee'ah, with whom the relationship is long-lasting. She is mentioned in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
"Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, ¾ for then, they are free from blame" [al-Mu'minoon 23:6] – the latter (a slave whom one's right hand possesses) is not a wife according to sharee'ah, because her stay is limited to a short time.
The wife is the one who inherits from the husband, or from whom the husband inherits, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"In that which your wives leave, your share is a half if they have no child…" [al-Nisaa' 4:12].
But the woman in a mut'ah marriage does not inherit, because she is not a wife, since she spends such a short time with the man.**
On these grounds, Mut'ah marriage is considered to be zinaa (adultery or fornication), even if both parties consent to it, and even if it lasts for a long time, and even if the man pays the woman a mahr. There is nothing that has been reported in sharee'ah that shows that it may be permitted, apart from the brief period when it was allowed during the year of the conquest of Makkah. That was because at that time there were so many people who has newly embraced Islam and there was the fear that they might become apostates, because they had been used to committing zinaa during the Jaahiliyyah. So this kind of marriage was permitted for them for three days, then it was made haraam until the Day of Resurrection, as was narrated by Muslim, 1406.
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dakter. your references are not actually references, they are additions to those translated verses and has been exemplified to support the theory of muttah. the first statement also lacks the appropriate hadis number.
please don’t spill your exhausted wisdom. thankyou.
HUMBLE BHAI JEE
so is muta ok for women as well.
asalaam o alaykum!
The background or conditions alluded by our friend Humble in cases of muta are frankly a little strechted. Iran which is almost 99% shia country has muta widely spread and in a book 'Eye of Storm', the authors have qouted statistic that muta in many instances last only hours as it is nothing more than a sexual gratification.
I would like to invite your attention to the report that Ibn Abbas, held the view that under necessity, muta may be allowed. A person asked him about marrying a woman on a temporary basis and he permitted him to do that. A servant of his then asked, "is this not under hard conditions, when the women are few and the like?" and he replied, "Yes." Later however, when Ibn Abbas saw that people had become lax and were engaging in muta without
necessity, he withdrew his ruling, reversing his opinion. (Zad al-Mi'ad, vol 4, p#7. Bayhaqi transmitted it and Muslim as well)
It is like the prohibition of eating of pork or dead meat. Under conditions where one is affraid of his life, one could eat pork, likewise, to escape zina, muta may be ok.
Mehak will you plz stop it here......forget about Muta,
Nanga, so if quran is translated into some other language other than arabic, its not valid??? ARe you denying the hadiths over your personal gain???
Those are translations of hadith and some are explained so people with little more ability than you might understand.
According to the verses from quran i posted above and hadiths, muta is haram, haram, and haram! Its like committing zina. And you can say its ok, because you lose your own personal agenda in believeing the verses of quran and hadiths of mohammad(pbuh)!
I know you disagree and wont change your mind...Laterzz
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daker you are a kiddo. read the replies carefully what people are trying to say before you jump to conclusion. you only have one intention - to impose your ideas.
next time i should avoid spending time to your replies and humble as well.
{PS} last word on mutah from my side. mutta in no way related to islam. neither it was ever practiced during the time of mohammet.sa. neither it is allowed in any circumstances. the custom is often referred as sunnat-e-nabwi. its very scornful allegation put to the pure personality of mohammet.sa. the people who try to implicate their lust under using the name of mohammet.sa as blanket should be bore in mind that such accusation are the creations of their evil minds. it is a great sin and does not have any civilized ethical or moral utility in the real life. the concept is packed with negative points only. not a single plus.
Bro humble I like all of your posts and everything, just not your posts on mut’ah.
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Mehak before you do anything, just check the hadith and quran your self many times. Please.
Bye
Nanga >
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Salam,
muta is in the quran, read surah nissa...ayat 24
wasalam
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