Why We Say That?

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not at all :snooty:

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^
See again u r doing same thing :hoonh:

What not at all?

1- confusing me
-or-
2- Paap hona :faizy:"

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If you're talking about the Arabs going for studies abroad at the time of Prophet, you would consider the importance of education in then Arab society. Even the children of the noble families like Bani Hashim were illiterate. There was no concept of formal education. Islam didn't come just as a religion containing certain rituals, it brought a revolution in Arab life by pointing importance of education. We all know this famous hadees, where it is said that 'Seeking knowledge / education is the duty of all Muslim men and women'.

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As TLK worte earlier, so far I also didn't read such in any hadith. :)

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You mean you didn't read hadees about talab al ilm fareezatun (seeking knowledge is a duty)?

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No. the another where is written 'even if you had to go china'.

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But that was included in our Islamiyat syllabus in the chapter of selected Ahadees :)

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^
Acha :hmmm:

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I heard this sentence,even if one has to go to china to get knowledge" from an Ahmedi friend of mine:), at that time I thought Ahemadi is just another surname like Farooqui, Querishi:bummer:

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Many people consider it a hadeeth, albeit with weak narrations.
But even if its narrations are accepted to be weak, doesn’t mean that it may not be a hadeeth. Calling it weak only means that it could be a hadeeth, even though the possibility is small.
I don’t think anyone considers it a false hadeeth altogether.

There are also many who consider it a fair hadeeth. See below.

Hadith: Seek knowledge even in China
Al-Munawi, like Ibn Abd al-Barr before him, gave an excellent explanation of the hadith in his Fayd al-Qadir (1:542). See also its discussion in al-Ajluni’s Kashf al-Khafa’ under the hadith: “Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim,” itself a fair (hasan) narration in Ibn Maajah because of its many chains as stated by al-Mizzi, although al-Nawawi in his Fatawa (p. 258) declared it weak while Dr. Muhammad Ajaj al-Khaatib in his notes on al-Khatib's al-Jami (2:462-463) declared it “sound due to its witness-chains” (sahîh li ghayrih). Cf. al-Sindi’s Hashya Sunan Ibn Maajah (1:99), al-Munawi’s Fayd al-Qadir (4:267) and al-Sakhaawi’s al-Maqaasid al-Hasana (p. 275-277).

My personal opinion, which of course doesn’t count for others, is that this may be a true hadith. But our maulanas like to reject it because if it is true then it collides with their claim that knowledge is only the knowledge of religion. This is why our madressahs are so adamant to keep the “corrupt” science subjects away. If it is accepted that prophet asked people to go to China then it would mean that prophet considered maths, physics, and chemistry to be knowledge as well.
So in order to keep their claim, it is NECESSARY to consider this hadith forgery, and if it is not possible then at least consider it “weak”.

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Maybe I'll go with what TLK has written above, China was thought to be a very far away country and in those times without any proper transportation it was very difficult to go there. So the meaning of that would be go and get knowledge from anywhere you can regardless of the distance and difficulties.