Why we consider the prophets to be infallable(wahabies welcome)

Now Now I have seen people here pointing fingers that the prophets made mistakes and it is in Quran(eg. Adam eating apple)But the true and correct meaning of the verses is here.

I start With the name of Allah the benificent the merciful.(bismillah hir rahman hir raheem)

The holy Imam mentioned here is Imam Reza(may allahs blessings be upon him) the shia 8th Imam.

Holy Imam(A.S.) Debates Ali ibn al-Jahm

The Holy Imam (A.S.) conducted a very magnificent debate with Ali al-Jahm dealing with the infallibility of prophets in which he explained in a very beautiful way the actual meaning of some verses which may on the surface give the impression to the contrary.

Interpreting the Holy Qur’an According to One’s Opinion

The Holy Imam (A.S.) started his discussion with Ali ibn al-Jahm by criticizing him and those who interpreted the Book of God according to their own viewpoint, stating that he and those have to refer to those whom God endowed with the faculty of knowledge and understanding in order to learn the actual and accurate interpretation of its verses according to the sacred verse which says, “And none knows its interpretation except God and those deeply grounded in knowledge.”

(Sura Al-Imran,Ayah 7)

Interpreting Verses Whose Superficial Meaning Suggests Prophet’s Fallibility

Then the Holy Imam (A.S.) started explaining the verses whose superficial meaning indicates the fallibility of and possibility of sinning by prophets. He indicated that Adam’s transgression took place while he was in Paradise, not on earth, and the infallibility in question is earthly, and that he did not commit any act as long as he lived on earth which contradicted his infallibility as proven by the sacred verse: "God did indeed choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran above all people.

“(Sura Al-Imran,Ayat 33) As regarding the verse which states: “And remember Zun-nun when he departed in wrath; he imagined that We had no power over him, but he cried through the depths of darkness, `There is no god but Thou! Glory to Thee; I was indeed wrong,'”(Sura Al-Anbiya,Ayat 87) what is meant by “he imagined that We had no power over him” is that he realized that God was not going to sustain him.” Had he thought that God was unable to overpower him, he would have then committed kufr (disbelief) and he would have also committed 'isyan, transgression.

As regarding the verse “And (with passion) did she desire him, and he would have desired her,”(Sura Yusuf,Ayat 24) the case regarding what the wife of al-'Aziz wanted, and what Yousuf (A.S.) desired to do, are two different things, for she wanted to commit a sin while he desired to kill her if she forced him; therefore, God saved him from the deed of killing her and its terrible consequences, and saved her from her own wishful desire to commit a sin.

As regarding David, his statement that the defendant had committed injustice by asking for the goat, it was an error only within the framework of the case, and it took place before he had asked the defendant about his defense against the plaintiff’s claim, and it is not a transgression, for God corrected for him his decision by bringing him the example of the two kings. As regarding his marriage with the widow of Oorya, which was regarded by people at that time as a sin and criticized him for it, it was done for the sake of effecting a legislative interest whereby David wanted to shatter the then prevalent custom of a widow not getting married after the death of her husband.

It is similar to what happened to the Holy Prophet(S.A.W.) with Zainab daughter of Jahsh, wife of Zayd ibn Haritha who had been adopted by the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.), for the Holy Prophet(S.A.W.), by marrying Zainab after granting her divorce from Zayd, wanted to shatter the pre-Islamic custom whereby a man would not be permitted to marry the former wife of someone he had adopted as is clear in the text of the Holy Qur’an. The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) was apprehensive of the criticism of the hypocrites of his action, so the Almighty addressed him by saying, “Do not fear people; it is more fitting that you should fear God,”(Sura Al-Ahzab, Ayat 37) since it was God Who ordered him to marry her as we understand from the verse, “Then when Zayd had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee in order that (henceforth) there may be no difficulty to the believers in (the matter of) marrying the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality, their marriage) with them, and God’s command must be fulfilled.”(Sura Al-Ahzab,Ayat 37)

By providing such glorious knowledge of the exegesis of sacred Qur’anic verses, and by giving such honest interpretations which safeguard the integrity of the context, the Holy Imam (A.S.) used to dispel the unusual confusion of those who did not have a deep actual understanding of the Glorious Book of God.

Let Us all come to the right Path That of Allah and the Ahle-bayt.

Any one ready to argue about the infallability of The messengers of Allah??!!


** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**

Imam jaffar-Saddiq

salaam Shah Jahan,

First of all i must admit that I have been deeply impressed by last few posts of yours on this forum

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looks like you are spending lots of time with history books.

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By the way, dont waste all the time arguing about shia/sunni stuff. We are all followers of Allah, quran, Hazoor and his progney. There is no point in proving Wahabis or anyoneelse wrong either, let em believe what they believe. Hasn’t Hazrat Imam Ali said : “The glamour of your vicsious life is more then sneez of a goat to me”. Now you are follower of a great imam, so learn to tolerate. Let everyone believe in what they believe.

I would rather recommend you to spend your time on other readings, which perhaps will be more benefecial to yourself.

in summary: Take it easy as watcher/cooldude would say

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salam
ramesha

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[This message has been edited by ramesha (edited January 07, 2001).]

What does wahabis have to do with this post??? You guys are obsessed with them, right?

Who said prophets made mistakes, could you tell us some posts?


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The wahabi sign was a cheap advertisement for getting people here as people don't come to my posts and I feel that I have deprived people of knowledge!!

I posted this post because I was talking to a sunni friend of Mine and he told me that all prophets had made mistakes SO WHY COULD NOT THE ahle-bayt???

Ramesha it is sorta my duty as a muslim to get the wrong people outta thier Kush-fehmii!!


** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**

Imam jaffar-Saddiq

Ok, sunni friend of yours? Where/when did a wahabi come into play?

Show us some posts in which someone said that prophets made mistakes.

They did or did not - we will discuss that later.

Zeeada knowledge honey ka fakher na karoo… it is not good.

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Also tell us where/which site did you get this cut and paste. PLease.

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YOu take it easy my friend.


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there are people out there who thinks Prophets to be just an ordinary people..if u are that person then this post is for u..if u arent then still worth reading it

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Prophets were HUMANS.

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say infallible humans

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human makes mistakes but Prophets were infallible..can never ever make mistakes

Why not now??

I got this from http://www.emamreza.net go to the topic on infallability of the prophets in the Inet-faith debate no.5!!


** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**

Imam jaffar-Saddiq

I guess, my point is being ignored or misunderstood for that matter. Lets try again.

Did I say prophets made mistakes or they did not? I mentioned nothing about that topic YET.

Now, could you please tell us WHO said prophets made mistakes and where did they said it??!!

If it was someone on this forum who said it, please tell us the link to that thread and if its some site that you are talking about please tell us that also and if you had a dream about it with a wahabi in your dream please do tell the tale. Thanks allot sir, I hope you be a good boy and coorperate this time in accordance with my request. Thank YOU!

You take it easy, now.


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Originally posted by The Watcher:
**I guess, my point is being ignored or misunderstood for that matter. Lets try again.

Did I say prophets made mistakes or they did not? I mentioned nothing about that topic YET.

Now, could you please tell us WHO said prophets made mistakes and where did they said it??!!

If it was someone on this forum who said it, please tell us the link to that thread and if its some site that you are talking about please tell us that also and if you had a dream about it with a wahabi in your dream please do tell the tale. Thanks allot sir, I hope you be a good boy and coorperate this time in accordance with my request. Thank YOU!

You take it easy, now.

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This time I heard you~!!

Ok here it goes when the issue of the prophets mistakes come everyone says yes they did and there is Quranic proof for it!!

You and All Wahabies say "they were Humans" and In Quran it says All mankind makes mistakes.

So the Question is were thay anymore than Just humans???

Tell me what do you think Prophets were given the message or they had it butjust waited for the proper time to come?

For if they were given the message and they had no Idea about before that means they made mistakes before prophethood(means fallable) right??............

Don't get me wrong I Know the prophets were humans but I think they were specialy created to give the messaage and they knew they had it with them!!!

What do you think

feel free to criticise!!


** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**

Imam jaffar-Saddiq

They were perfected people who were CHOSEN by ALLAH to convey his message to other human who were like them in physical attributes.

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<<<<Ok here it goes when the issue of the prophets mistakes come everyone says yes they did and there is Quranic proof for it!!>>>

Why in the hell are you people bring wahabis in every post man are you obsessed with them or something, do you dream about them all the time or something?

<<<You and All Wahabies say “they were Humans” and In Quran it says All mankind makes mistakes.>>>

When did I say? Where? Who are “everyone” that you are talking about? COme on man, don’t accuse anyone to prove your point. Don’t post allegations, come show us some facts show us who said what and where did they say it before you continue.

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www.islamiccity.com/qa

Question#:
4755.0
Question Date:
1995-01-01
Topic :
Prophets: Are they sinless?
Question:
A well-known concept says that prophets are sinless, but a tradition of the Prophet says that all human beings are sinners. Please comment.
Answer:
You speak of a well-known concept, but I do not know it. Speaking to the Prophet, Allah says in the Qur’an: “Know that there is no deity save Allah and seek forgiveness for your sins, and for the believers, men and women.” (49;19). If Allah tells the Prophet to include in his supplication a prayer for forgiveness of his own sin, then the concept you are speaking about is false. We know, however, that Allah has forgiven the Prophet all his sins, even before they are committed. We also know that the Prophet was the most obedient of Allah’s servants. Once Aisha saw the Prophet standing up in worship in the middle of the night, despite being tired. She asked him, why did he make such a great effort when he has already been forgiven all his sins. He replied rhetorically: “Should I not, then, be a grateful servant of Allah?” The Hadith to which you are referring is authentic. It states: “All human beings are prone to error and the best of those who err are those who repent.”
Source:
Arab News

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The only reason prophets are infallible is that they have to transfer God's words to people. Besides prophets no one including any imam, pir etc. are infallible. They may be able to not sin due their strength of character or hard work.

Only Allah cannot make mistakes. Allah has created man imperfect.

By abdul-wahab's theory the prophets will have the same procidures after Death(questions and answers)this sorta makes it as if they are sinfull people!!


** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**

Imam jaffar-Saddiq

[This message has been edited by Shah Jahan (edited January 11, 2001).]

Shah Jahan you talk without any references man.

Humans make mistakes, Prophets were humans. Allah forgave their sins even before they made any sins or mistakes.

There is Ayah in quran, which clearly says, I don't remember which one so I won't post the references to it. Sorry.

Also, Please get of the wahabi case, you are either a Muslim or you are NOT. No one here claims to be one, so stop it already and stop labling other people with sectarian names. Thank you.

Take it easy.


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Watcher...
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...Qur'an: "Know that there is no deity save Allah and seek forgiveness for your sins, and for the believers,men and women." (49;19)
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Could you please re-check this reference you gave, since Surah 49 (Surah al-Hujurat) in the Holy Quran does not have 19 Ayahs in it, it only has 18, the 18th ayah is as follows >>
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[al-Hujurat 49:18] "Verily God knows the secrets of the heavens and the earth: and God Sees well all that ye do."
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(so the ref 49;19 is not accurate).

I thought maybe you had typed the numbers the wrong way around ( by mistake) ie maybe they should have been 19;49 ??. But I also checked that in the holy quran and Surah 19 (Surah Marayam)does not contain the verse you posted above.

waiting for your response ....


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ARch ANgel thank you.

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I think they messed up with the #'s, I have emailed them to correct the error. When I get the responce, I will pass it on to you? Fair enough?

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Its just # mixup, I think so.

Thanks again.

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