Why tolerance is not on the curriculum in Pakistan

Why tolerance is not on the curriculum in Pakistan?

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By Ahmed Rashid in Lahore
(Filed: 01/08/2005)

For almost 30 years the most famous words of Pakistan’s founder, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, have been absent from school and military college curricula.

“You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed - that has nothing to do with the business of the State,” Jinnah told his countrymen in 1947 as Pakistan won its independence.

Cleric teaches the Koran in the family village of suspected London bomber Shehzad Tanweer
He clearly envisaged Pakistan as a democratic, not a theocratic state, but in the 1970s his words were blacked out by the military regime allied to Islamic fundamentalists helping the Afghans and Americans fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

Pakistan became an “ideological” Islamic state whose parameters were determined by the army in a bid to differentiate the country from secular India.

Since then the Islamic rather than the democratic and multi-ethnic character of Pakistan has been the thrust of the army and its main allies, the Islamic parties.

Last year Minoo Bandara, a bespectacled Zoroastrian businessman and member of the Pakistan national assembly, tried to reinstate Jinnah’s words through a parliamentary resolution.

His attempt failed to win support in parliament, even though in the post-September 11 era another military ruler, General Pervez Musharraf was advocating an enlightened and moderate interpretation of Islam.

Pakistan has been beset with an identity crisis since it came into being in 1947. No other country emerging from the British empire has faced the dilemma of whether it is secular or theocratic more acutely than Pakistan.

Although the fundamentalists have always been far weaker than the democratic forces, the backing they have received from the army has given them enormous power. What constitutes an ‘‘ideological’’ Islamic state has veered steadily from identity as Muslims in the 1970s to extremism and jihad in the 1990s as the pursuit of wresting control of Kashmir from India became less of a political struggle and more of a religious obligation.

The other determining factor for Pakistan has been its chronic sense of insecurity with India, with whom it has fought three major wars and several smaller ones. To counter India’s might the military used the fundamentalists to pursue a foreign policy based on supporting Islamic extremists in Kashmir, Afghanistan and Central Asia.

Pakistan became a national security state where modern reforms, education and public welfare took second place to building nuclear weapons and spending millions of rupees on funding mujahideen of all shades.

The United States shares a large part of the blame as it poured billions of dollars into the Pakistani military in the 1950s and 1960s to fight the Cold War and again in the 1980s to help fund the Afghan mujahideen and Arab extremists.

Saudi Arabia has also been a key ally, providing Pakistan with cheap oil and loans as well as funding for Pakistani extremist groups who were fighting in Kashmir and in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan.

Those groups funded by Saudi Arabia have promoted Wahhabism - an austere form of Islam practised in the desert kingdom - and been largely responsible for the massacres of Shia Muslims in Pakistan.

Gen Musharraf’s u-turn after September 11, when Pakistan dropped support for the Taliban and allied itself with the West in the war on terrorism, was considered to be a watershed, supposedly a historical moment when the army and the fundamentalists faced the new reality: that support for Islamic extremism was now considered a criminal offence by the rest of the world.

Gen Musharraf has cracked down hard on the foreign elements that constitute terrorism in Pakistan: Arabs, Central Asians and Afghans, and last week he promised to expel all foreign students from the madrassas.

Pakistan has handed over 500 members of al-Qa’eda to the Americans. But despite periodic crackdowns on Pakistan’s home-grown extremist groups, the domestic Islamic extremist infrastructure has remained intact.

The madrassas, or religious colleges controlled by militant groups, have neither been brought under government control nor shut down, the extremist parties have been banned only to re-emerge under new names and state schools have continued to teach archaic hate-filled texts.

The London and Egyptian bombings have demonstrated that extremism is still thriving in Pakistan.

As more details emerge it is almost certain that at least two of the four July 7 bombers were in contact with extremists in Pakistan. Since September 11 almost every senior al-Qa’eda figure captured has been seized in Pakistan. For many counter-terrorism experts Pakistan has now become ‘‘al-Qa’eda central’’.

However last week Gen Musharraf said it was “absolutely and totally baseless” that al-Qa’eda had its headquarters in Pakistan. The network was now ''a phenomenon" and “a state of mind” among Muslims rather than an organisation.

Since September 11 the West has helped Pakistan broker a peace process with India and poured in billions of dollars in loans, aid and debt forgiveness, in the hope that Gen Musharraf will deliver by curbing extremism and in the fear that whoever might succeed him would prove less co-operative.

But there is an irresolvable contradiction. Despite his personal sincerity and liberal views, Gen Musharraf is still a military ruler who has stifled political activity, exiled or ousted secular political leaders and given the floor to the military’s old allies, the fundamentalists.

He frequently demands that the moderates mobilise under his banner and launch a jihad against extremism, but he forgets that in Pakistan a military ruler has never been able to win mass support or become a popular leader.

Pakistan’s problem is not just extremism, but the lack of democracy and the failure of its politicians and military to build democratic institutions. In the 1990s, the decade-long experiment with democracy in which one government was replaced by another, the country’s politicians emerged as rapacious and corrupt opportunists rather than visionaries.

But they were also beset by an all-powerful military which never allowed democratic institutions to take root or an elected government to be voted out of office.

Most Pakistanis are conservative Muslims, but the vast majority reject extremism. Many are deeply confused. America’s actions in Iraq, notably at Baghdad’s Abu Ghraib jail, and at Guantanamo Bay have convinced many that the West is waging a war against Islam.

Yet the car bombs and terrorist acts Pakistanis face at home have made them sick of the extremists. The contradictory statements by government officials about waging jihad in Kashmir but also cracking down on extremism only add to the confusion. For most people the main issue is not the interpretation of Islam, but what kind of governance and economic future they can expect.

Since 1977 no government text book or any of the 20,000 madrassas has taught Jinnah’s most famous words. For Jinnah the creation of Pakistan was a means to protect Indian Muslims, not a reason to impose a dictatorship of one religion or a theocracy.

The majority of Pakistanis are still waiting for Jinnah’s dream to be fulfilled. Only when the government and military have the courage to reintroduce Jinnah’s words into the education curricula can Pakistan make a decisive shift out of its confused state of mind.

Re: Why tolerance is not on the curriculum in Pakistan

i think all pakistanis know that jinnah never wanted what he said in that historic speech (?) , that was just a way to fool western countries.

if he really wated what he said that pakistani ppl have cheated founder of there nation .......

Re: Why tolerance is not on the curriculum in Pakistan

Whether or not the Quaid :rehm: said this or not is irrelevant because we already believe this, freedom of religion for the Non-Muslim citizens and their right to protection in a Islamic Land is from our religion Islam, even during the time of our Prophet :saw:, his first four Caliphs (radhi allaahu anhum) and in other Muslim lands across the world the rights of the non-Muslim citizens to follow their own individual religions was respected.

However this in no way suggests that state and religion should be separate, Pakistan is an Islamic state because it was made for Muslims to be ruled by the Shari’ah of Allah :swt:, Allah :swt: willing it always will be and it’s minorities will always have the freedom to practice their own religions as our Shari’ah requires us to give then that right.

Freedom of religion to non-Muslims in a Muslim land is perfectly inline with and required by the Shari’ah (Islamic Law), the great Quaid :rehm: didn’t mean to say Islam will play no part in the state, if he wanted secularism for his people he could have got that in a united India, in fact on one occasion upon being asked about the constitution of Pakistan he pointed to the Qur’aan and some Mullah Sahibs and said they will guide us on that.

Muslims were perfectly safe and happy in pre-partition India, the only justification for Pakistan’s creation is Islam because other than that we have no differences with those across the border on the east.

Pakistan ka matlab kiya? La ilaaha il-Allah!!!

Re: Why tolerance is not on the curriculum in Pakistan

There is plenty of tolerance, believe me.

But where is tolerance in your country’s curriculum? Care to enlighten us in the case of Gujrat?

**‘Nazi’ row over Indian textbooks **](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=188777)

Re: Why tolerance is not on the curriculum in Pakistan

That’s the tolerance…india tolerates the right of people to believe that even nazis did something good for germany, inspite of all the horrible things like killing jews…india even has ** communist ** parties in ** democratic ** india (unlike US where being communist is equivalent to being a nazi)…india even has ** tolerance ** for the low life excuse of ** muslim personal law ** where a moranic mullah issued a fatwa declaring that a father-in-law who ** raped ** his daughter-in-law should marry her to absolve his crime !!!

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Then your country’s Muslims are just as fcuked up as your country, there should be a limit to everything, even freedom.

Where in Islam does it say that a rape victim has to marry her rapist?

Re: Why tolerance is not on the curriculum in Pakistan

…there is tolerance for muslims killing muslims in name of religion
..there is tolerance for dictatorship, in a “islamic” republic , originally created as secular land for indian muslims..there is tolerance for not following wishes of the founding father.
…there is tolerance for every thugs posing as ** jihadi ** regardless of race/nationality
…there is toerance for every international terrrorist/murderer/criminal running away from the law in other country but wants to make pakisatan a home (..osama..dawood to name a few)
…there is tolerance for gang rapes
…there is tolerance for every pakisatani crying for “right” of muslims in “other” countries to vote for their future…while ** tolerating ** that the pakistanis ** don’t ** have that right themselves !!!
…but you are right.. there is plenty of tolerance…infact..there is tolerance for every intolerance !!

Re: Why tolerance is not on the curriculum in Pakistan

Tell that to the fuc..ed ups who believe in that their interpretation is correct. After all the fatwa was issued by a “learned” cleric. Is n’t that the real problem?everybody seems to be interpreting Quran according to how it suits them while declaring that other’s interpretation is wrong (you, for example :D)

Re: Why tolerance is not on the curriculum in Pakistan

Biggest hogwash spread around by the likes of Mod-zero-zero-di. These fanatics wanted to create Islamistan in Bharat while declaring Jinnah a Kafir or sometimes even worse.

Off course Gandhi did the 180 degrees right after creation of Bharat, so the same Mod-00-di jumped Hindian ship and started fasaad in Pakistan.

p.s. I wonder why this group chanting Pakistan ka Matlab Kiya simply ignore Mohammad Rasool Allah?

For Ahmad Rashid! one should know that the curriculum doesn’t teach tolerance. Society as a whole reacts to internal and external threats and sets up a tolerance level. When Ruskies are poking your behind, and Baha-Rat-is have you in a big hug, you would get a bit antsy. That’s quite natural.

The issue is how to rid yourself of the fever and fear ones the danger is over when Ruskies are gone. That’s where we made several mistake. However this is the time we rid ourselves of all the MAToos and bring some peace in the house.

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How audacious!

Muadudi selected Pakistan because the the state philosophy provided a fertile breeding ground for his extremist ideas and because the ruling establishment patronized him and the like of him to the marginalization of liberal polity.

What external or internal threats by the way? Why are you forgetting the 4 wars that were invoked not to mention the proxy wars imposed on Afghanistan and the massacre of Bangalis? The genocide of Baluchis, Sindhis, Muhajirs, and Pashtuns is also a case in point. Who is the greatest threat to peace and human-rights?

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^Which genocide are you talking about by the way? I never heard of such genocides in Pakistan!?!?!? Complete over emotional exageration and baqwas!
And what proxy war in Afgnaistan? If anything we supprted them. Our only guilt is to not pull out when we should have.

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Islam was a curse on Pakistan… If there were no Islam, things would have turned out much better… Keep the Islam in your house and let the society function independantly…

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Yeah and thats why the establishment senteneced him to death…Where the frick are u pulling this data from…MQM’s website or Altaf’s ass…

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Don’t use Islam as a scapegoat, it’s the greedy, selfish bureaucracy and landlords who have destroyed Pakistan beyond repair, they are the only ones who have benefited from it.

Pakistan is nothing without Islam, if it hadn’t been for Islam there wouldn’t have been no Pakistan.

Islam was used as a tool to create Pakistan, were all those Islamic slogans and promises empty bullshet???

Without Islam we are just Indians, otherwise I see no difference between you and Indian Punjabis.

If Islam is of no relevance then fine I want freedom for our lands from the lying, cheating Pakistani state and it’s forefathers who created it with ulterior motives.

Sentimental bull crap aside if there’s no Islam then Pakistan has nothing but shame and humiliation to offer us, it’s country looked down upon both in the west and in Dar el-Islam, I and many other like minded Pakistanis would much rather be a part of a vibrant, culturally rich and economically successful country like India which is respected all over or Afghanistan which has a strong idenitity, it’s own culture and heritage despite being war torn is on the road to success and ofcourse it’s people are yummier.

I’ve no more a reason to be biased towards Islamabad/Urdu over Delhi/Hindi, Pakistan is an artificial country, it’s not my heritage that I or any other so called Pakistani should be loyal to it regardless of its non-affiliation to Islam.

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^^ Amen....Her Mulk Mulk-e-Maas Mulk-e-Khudai Maas....

Pakistani Nationalism is the most articifial in the world....

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Tsk Tsk…not a very secular comment dear patriot.

Keep your bloody secularism to your self why don’t you?

Blaming Islam (which didn’t even come to prominance until Afghan war) for Pakistan’s problem is just lame. How about blaming it on the fact that Pakistan has never been able to produce any good leaders? Or the fact that Pakistan itself seems to have been supported by feudal types who wanted to maintain the status quo that was clearly about to be disrupted in India around 1947? It’s these *******s who ended up taking power…and do this day Pakistan is stagnant…

Let’s get real here.

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Yeah, but how about answering the question? If even the laypeople can see a gross misuse of religion…methinks something is seriously wrong with society at large that they wouldn’t want to call it out…

Get rid of religion, same sh*t is going to plauge the country. religion is hardly the problem…

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I think we should make few things clear here.
Pakistan is made in the name of Islam.
There are two (maybe three) countries created based on religeon one is great Pakistan and other is Israel.

No matter what anyone says these facts remain.
Without Islam, Pakistan is nothing.
What Qauid Said was very much Islamic. Don't try to name it 'secular'

If secular is tolerant of others then why France banned religeous attire of christians, muslims and jews etc.?? Islamic people never did that ever!

In Islam, all religeons must have complete freedom as it has been for thousands of years.
Where ever Muslim ruled, religeous tolerence was practiced and even non-muslims have agreed on it. A muslim is not muslim until he or she respects other religeons or people of other religeon.
Non-muslims florished and prospered under muslim rule.
There is no room for discriminating anyone based on religeon in Islam. Meaning hurting physically or emotionally etc.
I can even say that Islam is itself a secular religeon.
How can a muslim expects to earn heaven if he or she deliberately hurts an innocent person? Its just not acceptable in Islam..period.
Ignorants just see small percentage of people doing wrong and immediately want to accept that Islam is the root cause of problem...

Long live Great Pakistan.

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Yeah Islam is a an easy escape goat for these so called secular degenerates…nothing in Pakistan happens without the patronage or callusion of the feudal lords and the military and to some extent bureacracy and lately the powerful industrialists…These four pillars of Pakistani politics and society are responsible for running the show and hence should get the blame…But those that count themselves among these four groups and consider themselves as part of the elite, are quick to shift the blame on mullahs/islam to disguise their own fleecing and exploitation of the masses and resources of the country for the last 60 years…Mullahs have never been in power…when they do come in power then we can take the liberty of blaming Islam and mullahs for all the ills afflicting the nation…until then keep the fleecing intact…

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Here is Pakistani tolerance in a nut shell.. The sad thing is that most people on this board and especially those claiming they are mistreated, or treated unfairly and go around starting idiotic threads over who suffered the most in Pakistan, these people will probably support this wholeheartdly…
Tolerance is tested by such situations, where you must tolerate something that so against your own beliefs that tolerance is almost impossible. Islam in this case falls flat on its face, its only tolerant so long as there isnt anyone there that could challenge the established view…
That why secular society is better then Islam, because tolerance is a given not a gift.. The day Islam can tolerate even those who speak against Islam, is the day Islam will be tolerant relgion..
They were actually thinking of booking these people under the anti terror law!!!
This is a shame for all Pakistanis…

Sect offices closed in Pakistan

Protesters have also targeted Qadianis in Bangladesh
Pakistani authorities have closed down the offices of 16 publications run by followers of the Qadiani sect in the central Punjab city of Jhang.
Two printing presses were sealed and cases registered against editors and publishers for “propagation of offensive material”, police said.

At least two people were arrested and raids are continuing.

Qadianis, also known as the Ahmadiyya, were declared non-Muslims under the constitution in 1974.

The sect was founded by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam, who was born in the town of Qadian in Punjab in 1835.

The Qadianis believe he was the Imam Mahdi, or the Promised Messiah.

Complaint

Jhang police chief, Hamid Mukhtar Gondal, told the BBC the action had been taken on orders of the Punjab home department.

We have in fact always been victims of prejudice

Spokesman,
Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya

He said the 16 publications had already been banned but the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiya - Pakistan’s largest Qadiani party - had continued to print and distribute them.

Literature deemed religiously offensive and banned under Pakistani law was recovered from the offices of some of the publications.

The latest action was triggered on a complaint by a local religious leader, Maulana Chinioti, who has been in the forefront of the campaign against the minority sect.

Mr Gondal said he could have charged Qadiani leaders and editors under anti-terrorism laws but had decided not to do so.

“For the time being, we have booked them for propagating material offensive to people of other faiths,” he said.

A spokesman of the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya told the BBC that none of its publications were offensive and their closure reflected religious prejudice against the community.

The Jamaat-e-Ahmadiya had never been involved in any form of violence or any hate campaign, he said.

“We have in fact always been victims of prejudice,” he said.

Mainstream Islam believes Mohammad was the last Prophet.