Why this dearth of appreciation/acknowledgment in our society?

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I am really annoyed at the attitude of pakistanis not appreciating or acknowledging the talent of our own counrty. Why did we wait for Hollywood to work with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan to know his value, talent and importance???. Why does it take a bollywood song/album to nationalize our singers? Why do we know the rakhiz and mallika’s of bollywood and not know about greatest classical singers of the world in our very own country for example the late Asad Amanat Ali Khan?. There is no denying that we are a country full of talented people in every field of life but why dont we acknowledge or appreciate that? Our artists are worshiped in west and even in bollywood for example nusrat fateh, ghulam ali, asad amanat ali, abida parven, etc…the list is endless. Most of the singers in india whether punjabi singers, classical singers or singers singing in movie has admitted to been inspired by our singers. But look at us what do we give our artists? no respect, no acknowledgement and no appreciation.

I know many of you wl argue that Nusrat fateh Ali Khan was also popular b4 going to hollywood/bollywood…yes he was BUT in a section of society only. How many of you know that Adnan Sami is world’s fastest keyboard player in the world? Or that he
is the only asian artiste to sell out Wembley Stadium two nights in a row for which he received “Limca Book of Records” award (Asia’s equivalent of the Guinness book of world records) ? Or that in some country Nusrat fateh’s music was used as a remedy for cancer patients? Or that Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan holds the world record for the largest recorded output by a Qawwali artist—a total of 125 albums?

I can go on and on and i bet 90% of you wont be knowing abt these facts. So what is it than? pure ignorance on our behalf or you think its not important enough for you to know abt this or to apprecite and acknowledge them?.

I really wanna know the reason we have this attitude? is this the result of the brit rule we ***had ***but somehow still can’t get over it? We have this inferiority complex or its just cooler to know and appreciate stars from other countries cuz hai…ghar ki murghi dal barabar?!?.

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I agree. This is one of the first negative things I noticed about Pakistani culture. It's not just a lack of appreciation for the artists, but for people in general.

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I do not agree.

You probably are young or simply ignoring overwhelming difference in the size of population of the two neighbouring countries. There simply cant be a comparison if you do not take this into account.

Re- adnan sami I have said it before that he was
‘an asset best utilised in pakistan’
Ok i wont be writing the same stuff again and again, better you read what i have said earlier about this guy.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=3003811&postcount=3
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=3354056&postcount=9

In short Adnan Sami has done nothing creative in India. Only made money. His entire creative porforlio started and finished in pakistan. For which he was duly popular, and liked by masses for his masterty over several musical instruments and raag… I remember ptv recorded his live performances and showed them extensively.

Nusrat Fateh Ali was popular in pakistan, but the fact that he was an international celebrity. Being popular in india was no biggie, he was popular in Japan and Germany too. There was something extraordinary with him, dont know what.

Similarly Nazia, Zohaib, Vital Signs Reshma, Abida Parween Ata Ullah Esakhailwi etc. they are popular Because of Pakistan. India does not have so much extraordinary talent despite huge population.

Even Now there are Mikaal hasan band which is producing excellent and top class clasical melodies, he is liked by those who understand music. If they are not yet approched by India, it does not dampen their popularity or quality of music is not upto the mark.

The fact remains the same that Pakistan is way ahead in music than India …
Pakistani artists produce top quality ‘original’ music. India looks toward them to reduce their own limitations. In the past they used to copy / steal melodies ( vital signs, Hasan Jahangir, Nusrat etc) now they hire artists, which is good

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oh by the way do you know Sain Zahoor ?

He won BBC music award for Asia Pacafic two years in a row and guess what He is a pakistani lives in pakistan. And he popular because of pakistanis who listen to folk music like it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/worldmusic/a4wm2006/a4wm_zahoor.shtml

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The purpose of making this topic was that we could discuss it and hear different opinions but i would have really appreciated it if you would have read my post clearly before making a reply. When and Where did i say that Adnan was not creative when he was in pakistan? or that he got more creative when he went to india? What i was pointing out was the lack of appreciation of our artists in our society not the lack of their creativties. I bet you can understand the difference between the two. Again I neva said that Nusrat fateh ali khan's being big in india was a biggie...if u try to read my post you wl see i stressed more about his global audience.

You seem to be really frusturated at something else and got it out at the wrong topic. I myself believe that our music industry is way ahead compared to India and we have far more talented singers here. And i hate it when bollywood copies our songs and doesnt even give credit to the original composer/singer.

There is a word of advice for you...next time please read the topic carefully before wasting your time of writting a meaningless and irrelevant posts and definately wasting our time too.

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part of the issue is funding, but also the other aspect is proper planning for a certain type of music that we must work on to maintain a Pakistani music identify that is well received - and presents a healthy message as well as entertainment which is clean and invokes good music appreciation.
i think that with the exception of nca and al hamra, there was not much ever that was available as an arts academy in Pakistan.
even though good talented people are present there.
we never see a lot of honor given to many people.
people who grew up in 80s & 90s may remember Abida perveen, Tahira Syed, Nayra Noor, Naheed Akhter and contemporary singers, Tina Sani, Salman Ahmed and Fakhir, Hadiqa Kiyani. Sheki, Alam gir, Nazia and Zohaib, some always liked pathaneye khan and other gazal singers.
semi classical and gazal gaikee never got promoted. so many good names i am sure i am missing.
music deifines life. so, the musician and the singer *must be rewarded and appreciated at home first and then abroad. *

the bands and the single soft rock musicians were able to harness support through marketing and music equipment centers and human capital in karachi and lahore. but, beyond that, no award that helps make
the new comers in the field have a taste in singing, in poetry through which experienced and well known artists could be formally training and successful in presenting Pakistani heritage as a rich and creative body of artists - lead singers, composers, & production teams etc.

we need that since we do not have to witness that our signature or staple of our music industry becomes absolutely horrendous and vulgar like it is in many cases all over the world.
a person, a female or a male, must still be able to stand and sing a good geet with good music, that can remain alive for times to come, rather than distasteful music and lyric that has no meaning and is utter repetition of a two liner nonsense, fashioned on a music that is copied after music that does not sit well with our own genuine art form in music production.
other wise, this is what is and will happen - good musicians will go to places other than our own country and produce their work in those places, losing at both ends - a sense of originality, and belonging and a color of one's own creative national identity (of course, we could still be universal, but our music must not lose its sophisticated quality and standard).

so yes, there should be more awareness about the appreciation and support of the art itself and the artists.

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Maham S- I read your post and then replied. There was nothing offensive in my post … I have just shared my opinion. The attempted rebuke was uncalled for ! :slight_smile:

Let me show you. you said ( blue text)

I am really annoyed at the attitude of pakistanis not appreciating or acknowledging the talent of our own counrty. Why did we wait for Hollywood to work with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan to know his value, talent and importance???. Why does it take a bollywood song/album to nationalize our singers? Why do we know the rakhiz and mallika’s of bollywood and not know about greatest classical singers of the world in our very own country for example the late Asad Amanat Ali Khan?

I said I do not agree with you on this. We pakistani, appreciate our artists.
I dont know which class or which group you are talking about. Late Asad Amanat Ali is a well know artist in Pakistan and liked by masses, Although I am not sure how many people know Rakhi & Malika , btw I know of many indian artists but not sure as who are they … Rakhi was a herioin of yesteryears appeared in many movies with Amitabh … But i can not understand how she should be popular in pakistan ? and how can we compare it with comtemporary artists of today :konfused:

Our artists are worshiped in west and even in bollywood for example nusrat fateh, ghulam ali, asad amanat ali, abida parven, etc…the list is endless. Most of the singers in india whether punjabi singers, classical singers or singers singing in movie has admitted to been inspired by our singers. But look at us what do we give our artists? no respect, no acknowledgement and no appreciation.

All these artists are popular among masses in pakistan, I am unable to understand how can you say that We dont appreciate them ???

People adore them attend their shows and watch their recording on tv How else can one appreciate artists ?

Please explain to me, on what grounds you said that artists like Abida parveen, Ghulaam Ali, Mehdi Hasan , Nusrat fateh Ali , asad Amant ali were/are not appreciated, respected in Pakistan ?

I dispute the notion. They are extremely popular in pakistan and people of all walks of life, based on their taste and liking of that particular genre, like them and appreciate their work.

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Code_Red- i apologize if i was harsh…had a bad day plus 2 be honest i dont appreciate when mine or any1’z words r taken for a different meaning all 2gether.

My Quote: Why did we wait for Hollywood to work with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan to know his value, talent and importance???.

If you READ CAREFULLY…you wl see i said “to know his value, talent…”…i didnt say they were not talented when they were here. There is a huge difference between the two. If this quote was the reason for your misinterpreting my post that i dont know what to say?!?.

BTw i was not talkin abt the yesterday’s actress rakhi but the item number queen and the b-grade actress of the pardesia fame rakhi sawant whom every1 seems 2 know irrespective of disliking her or whatever.

As i read the rest of the post i realize that you perhaps realized that my post was about the appreciation bit. Ok so you disagree with me on that. Well i guess it can be subjective cuz people have diff expectations/views, etc. For me appreciation is not just listening 2 an artist’s songs or watching their shows. It means giving them the due respect and treating them the same as you treat the artists from other countries. To be honest its such a shame that most of the new generation knows our artists only for their names and dont know abt their work. Forget our society for a min and think abt what the govt has done for our artists? except of giving them national award when they die or are abt to die:halo: . Do u know how Mehdi hassan and Reshma are surviving? This is only one example.

Having said that i must stress again n again that there is absolutely no lack of talent in our society. If anything there is abudance of talent here but just need the rite avenues to utilize it. And its high time we find those avenues here in our country rather than going out all the time. I am not at all oppose 2 the idea of our artists working abroad but at the end of the day they are OUR artists and should have a strong feeting at our own country also. :slight_smile:

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I was not taking your for different meaning, just not agreeing with you.
I was disputing your notion that ‘artistes are not appreciated while they are in pakistan’

I would have been less disappointed if you had actually reffered to yesteryear’s actress Rakhi instead of insulting great artists by comparing their popularity to some b-grade item number girl :nook:

I dont know who the hell is she ! If you believe that she is famous or anything among people with taste … then my humble advice for you. Please F.O.C.U.S !

Yet you complain of ‘dreath of appreciation’

Whats wrong with them ?? they made money got appreciation. Earned so many awards and medal what more they can ask for ? What more should we do for them, make thier idols ?

If you are trying to point at bad health of mehdi hasan then its all natural he is old and sick … which is all natural there are people around him to take care. Everyone has to die eventually. As far as Reshma is concerned i dont know, she was fine. I dont know if anything is wrong with her. :konfused:

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ok now rnt u being silly here…you just said rakhi is a b-grade artist which means u know her atleast but than later u say u dun even know who she is…hmmm alrite?!?..i think it’s U who needs 2 FOCUS.

Well i am not a 2 year old who wouldnt know that in old age people do get sick or mite not keep in a good health so thats not what i was talking abt mehdi hassan but the kind of condition he lives in…As for reshma again it her living condition…i dun feel rite in saying this but since u r being so stubborn abt the whole issue maybe i had let u know that somebody in our family who once arranged a performance by reshma were asked by her if she cud get zakat from them on a dialy basis…i dun know watelse i need 2 let u know to prove my point! 2 be very honest i dun even feel the need 2 explain any further 2 u because i like 2 avoid stubborn people. so Good bye:)

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Maham S - no need to get angry. I only repeated what you told me. See ^^

I knew only about Rakhi Gulzar. The one you are talking about, I honestly have no idea. Maybe I have seen her sometime flipping channels but I dont know anything about her or any of the dozens Item number grils... Because, Firstly, they dont deserve to be known secondly, I watch very selected movies and Imran Hashmi's movies can never be on my list. thirdly, i have limitted memory so I need to utilise it wisely.

Yes you are right many artists live in deplorable conditions in later part of thier life. But, those who were famous and popular in the prime should plan their future wisely and they shoud invest for their old age. Reshma, being the popular folk artist must have made money in 80s, 90s, and she visited many countries. Sadly most of the time these people are looted by thier near kins, who waste their money or acquire it by wrong means. and it happens alot

Others, who are not that popular they cant do much and they indeed need help from govt and organizations

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Arghhhhhhh sorrie for my outburst...i guess i was havin a bad day! newayz i do believe that some fault lies with these people not investing properly and just wasting their income while they r in their prime but i still maintain i dont thing we give sufficient respect to our artists.

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Having bad days so frequently, at this young age is not a good sign :slight_smile:

Have a nice day :bb:

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^ LOL! well i do get angry very eaisly and yup last few days or perhaps 2 weeks have not been an easy ride :D