Why There is Crack in KAABA WALL??

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In shia hadith books, is there any mention of this crack?

According to sunni islam 14 other ashab were born in kaba but shia claim these ahadith to be false.

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Peace All

We need to understand the clear distinction between:

a) The birth place of Hz. Ali (AS) and it's authenticity
b) The so-called crack on Ruk-e-Yamani that allegedly proves this event and that for some reason Sunnis (or Wahabis to be specific) are covering it up.

There is absolutely no connect between these two. It is quite possible for a Sunni to believe the birth miracle without believing the pollitical attachments to it in the current day. I have a problem with b) not necessarily with a) above. If I get cross-references for the hadith I will accept it, but I will not accept the politicization towards cover-up or whatever because there is no reason for us (Sunnis) to cover up a miracle of any of the salaf, we are proud of them all and we speak of all miracles in full faith - as long as the stories are cogent and authentic.

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^:k:

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I attended a program at a Sunni masjid to celebrate the birth of Imam Ali (as) for 13th Rajab. I walked away realising that a true Sunni loves Imam Ali (as) no less than any Shia. All the scholars and speakers mentioned the birth of Imam Ali (as) at the Kaaba among many other great virtues that I had not heared of before. I do not think that any knowledgeable Sunni will "hide" any merit of Imam Ali (as) as it is understood that all his merits are directly or indirectly the Prophet's merits. Wahabhis/Nasibis and their creed are a different matter altogether.

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The poster was comparing birth place of Imam Ali a.s with birth place of Prophet s.a.w.

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For those of you who have been consistently been comparing Birth of Mola Ali a.s with Birth of Prophet s.a.w. here are shia belevies about birth of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w, sunnis will agree with some too.

It is related on the authority of Imam Jafar Sadiq , that Iblees was at first allowed to go up even to the seventh heaven and listen to the reports of those blessed abodes, but when Hazrat Isa a.s was born, Iblees was inhibited to the three heavens, and on the birth of Mohammed (saw) the demons were debarred from them all, and driven by arrows of meteoric fire from the gates of those celestial regions. At the birth of the prophet every idol fell on its face, and the palaces of Kesry, emperor of Ajem (Persia), trembled, and fourteen of the towers fell. Lake Sivah, which was worshipped, disappeared; its site is the salt plain near Kasham. The wady (valley) of Samavah, where for a number of years no water had been seen, now flowed with that element. The sacred fire if Fars, which had not been extinguished for a thousand years, were quenched that night, on which likewise, the wisest of the Majoosee (Magian) ulemas dreamed that a number of strong camels led the horses of Arabia across the Dujlah or Tigris into their territory. On that night a light appeared in Hijaz (A district of Arabia, including Mecca) filling the whole world and moving eastward. On the morning following, the thrones of all the kings were found reversed. The skill of the soothsayers (fortune – teller) departed, the magic of the sorcerers ended.

From Ali a.s, the commander of the faithful, it is related that the idols which were in the Kaaba fell on their faces when the prophet was born, and a voice proclaimed form heaven. Truth is revealed and error is annihilated. The whole world was illuminating on that night, and every stone and clod and tree laughed for joy, and all things in heaven and earth uttered praise to Allah. Shaytan fled, crying. The best and the dearest of creatures is Mohammed (saw).

Iblees, after learning what had transpired, assembled his offspring and cast dust on his head, crying. Since my creation no calamity like this has befallen me; a son is born whom they call Mohammed bin Abdullah (saw). He will destroy idolatry, and require men to worship Allah in unity of His being. Hereupon the whole evil crew cast the dust of degradation on their heads, and fled to the fourth sea, where they wept forty days.

Excerpts from the book ‘Hayat al Qulub’ Vol. 2 written by Allamah Majlisi (ar). These and more traditions like them can be found under the section ‘Birth of Mohammed (saw)’.

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Obviously..It's in their books. They just haven't read it yet lol

أن فاطمة بنت أسد ولدت أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب كرم الله وجهه في جوف الكعبة

"Verily Fatima bint Asad gave birth to the Commander of the Believers Ali ibn Abi Talib (karram Allahu wajhahu) inside the Ka'ba"

Al-Mustadrak Hakim, Ch. 3, Pg. 482/483

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Peace Jafri

Like I said earlier, I still have not seen the text that states the ka'bah wall miraculously blasted open. According to the reference you have given, Fatima bint Asad (RA) could have simply used the door.

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Exactly the position of most Sunnis. Why hide something that Allah has revealed.

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Prophet Mohammed (S.A.W.S) was also the last Nabi does that mean that he was the least significant one, No! he is and will be the most significant one, going by that logic Ali is the most significant!

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For three days Fatima Bint Asad remained inside the Ka'ba, apparently without sustenance of any kind. This unusual event was the talk of the town. At last, on the third day, the passage through which she had entered again opened, and Fatima came out. The people saw that she had in her hands a lovely child. Both sects (Shias and Sunnis) agree that no one else had ever been given such distinction.

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Why couldn't God protect the holiest of all holy places. why did he send the earthquake at that place?

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:smack:

The point of resurrecting this useless, pointless thread ?