Admin, mods and the rest of the managment team Kicking out or forcing them to leave(humble, A11shah and the rest)when they disagreed or hurt peoples little feelings!
but what about the Indians who are Insulting us to no end? and the wahabi thinking people like nanga were insulting the shais and when the shais stick up for them selves you think we are “hurting” people! why this double standard?
I need some answers from the ads and mods please!
When someone is presenting Islam in manner which do not exist in Quran and Hadith, they should be blocked.
Everyone is entiled to their believes(what ever they may be) but if you are a Muslim, you better present your self according to Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet. You can't come here with your own hadiths and verses from quran and expect people to keep quiet and not criticise you for presenting the Islam which does not exist in the holy book.
Shias insult Sahaba for no particular reason. But, they do not realize that Ali was also one of the Sahaba of Mohammad(though he was also a family member).
*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*
Lollypop
Everyone is entitled to their own views. In this forum everyone is required to respect that right. You are not asked to respect what they believe in, thats up to you, you are asked simply to respect their right, their freedom to think/believe whatever it is they wish to believe.
Nobody has the right to make a mockery of anyone's beliefs be it Islam, or any other religion.
Freedom of conscience is laid down by Allah swt in the Qur'an:'There is no compulsion in religion'.(2:256)
[This message has been edited by Girl from Quraysh (edited October 03, 2000).]
GFQ, what about the hindus they don't get banned, why? the question is on double standards, right?
As far as the watcher goes Humble did use Quran and A11shah also said that the shais don't belive the hadith are true like quran and when giving examples to shias please don't mention Bukhari,muslim and all! Quran IS what we base our facts on go to humbles posts and you will see what I mean! He always quotes what the quran has to say!
I agree with Desert Fox.
It is true that shias do not accept some (or most parts of) Sahih books, which are collection of ahadith. This is fine. However, it is equally true that Shi'as do not negate the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH), however, what they say is that they accept the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) which has come to them through the Ahle-Bayat Imams, also known as Walaiya (Re: Thread: Islam is Based on 5-7 Pillars and Nothing Else! by faceup). Desert Fox, let me know if you agree up to this part?
Next point is that not all muslims in the world are shi'ites, in fact a majority of them aren't. By a conservative estimates 75% of muslim population follow one of the four major sects (collectively called "Ahle Sunnah" or Sunnis). Pakistan also tends to follow the same percentage ratio i.e. 75% are sunnis.
While this does not imply that sunnis have a god-given right to trample the opinion of anyone especially shi'as on any matter, it does mean that if a muslim posts a question on this forum, and if you don't know otherwise, you can probably assume that he/she is a sunni. In such an assumption, the response provided can make use of quotes acceptable to sunnis, which include text by muslim scholars recognized by sunnis.
In case where a thread or a question is started by a shi'a, it is advisable to either stick to Quran alone, or if available, to make use of text by shi'ite scholars.
It has been extremely unfortunate, that some topics started by Sunni participants, where the opinion was provided as per sunni school of thought, some shi'as thought it appropriate to post rude remarks about sunni school of thought, including direct insulting remarks on members, themselves. While there is absolutely no prohibition on shi'as joining any discussion, what is generally accepted is that they will give some reference of Quran or their religious texts or intelligent opinion based on their school of thought to counter any point made by other participants. Merely hurling insults does not further the cause of informative discussion, and clearly incenses other participants, and degrades the overall quality of forum.
I hope GEQ, Admin and other moderators agree to these statements.
Adios!
i disagree with the idea of having double standards. instead we should have 'triple standards'. just a tajweez.
aadab arz.
No, I dont agree with the concepet of pillars.
but, while I was in school they (teachers sunnis) gave us pillars of Islam. Belive it or not! so now what about some beliving in it and some not?(I don't know about you)
According to you only Shias give rude comments(see the double standards showing up)
but read Humbles post:name of Hazrat Ali(a.s)on the moon and you will se what I mean!
Peace in Islam is the most important thing a muslim can give to an other muslim. So warming up a shias blood is not keeping peace!
PEACE,
Desert fox
Desert Fox
Rudeness by anyone, shia or sunni, cannot be condoned.
I was not making a general statement, but was referring, specifically to the thread "Are you doing it for Allah", in which faceup posted comments
*("If you follow people like Pristine, then you will always, ALWAYS get out-dated Islam based on 'hearsays' collected by Al Bukhari in his hadiths/sunnahs which is the embodiment of Islam for the most muslims.
Folks - the Bukharis belong in the book shelf of the libraries and NOT as Source of Islamic interpretations!")*
which were not relevant to the thread, but only to hurl insult at sunni beliefs.
As I had said earlier, you have a right not to accept pillars of Islam, similarly suunis have a right to believe them based on a Hiadth. Why fight over it? Read my post in thread "Does Quran Say Islam is based on 5 Pillas?"
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**On a broader note, you have 5-7 fundamental beliefs, and someone else has 5 pillars. What does it matter, huh?
All of us should just try to follow Islam to the best of your ability, gain maximum knowledge and collect enough good deeds to make us successful on the day of judgement. There is no point in discussing mundane, unnecessary, argumentive topics which lead no where.**
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In the thread "Islam is based on 5-7 pillars and Nothing Else!" started by faceup, 10 different participants (including the moderator GFQ) posted that in their opinion Islam is based on 5 pillars. This simply shows that there are participants who belong to sunni school of thought.
Should we therefore keep on fighting? There is no point in shoving our belief's on others. Just present your opinion. If the other participant accepts your logic, reason and evidence, fine. If they do not, then everyone has a right to have their own opinion.
By the way, I was not asking you whether you believe in 5 pillars, because I already know you don't. What I was asking you was "However, it is equally true that Shi'as do not negate the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH), however, what they say is that they accept the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) which has come to them through the Ahle-Bayat Imams, also known as Walaiya. Desert Fox, let me know if you agree up to this part?"?
Assalam O Alaikum.
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Originally posted by Pristine:
However, it is equally true that Shi'as do not negate the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH), however, what they say is that they accept the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) which has come to them through the Ahle-Bayat Imams, also known as Walaiya. Desert Fox, let me know if you agree up to this part?"?
Assalam O Alaikum.**
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Salam brother Pristine,
To believe in sunnah of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w) is a fundamental part of shia faith in Islam. Wilaya is the concept of following Infallible Imams who again follow the sunnah of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w). Therefore it all comes back to following the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w).
I agree with this part out of your post pristine. I also agree with the part about respecting other's opinion, we should not try to enforce our ideas on others.
Shair.
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Originally posted by shair30:
** Salam brother Pristine,
To believe in sunnah of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w) is a fundamental part of shia faith in Islam. Wilaya is the concept of following Infallible Imams who again follow the sunnah of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w). Therefore it all comes back to following the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w).
I agree with this part out of your post pristine. I also agree with the part about respecting other's opinion, we should not try to enforce our ideas on others.
Shair.
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Ditto! that is what I wanted to say Sunnah is what we follow after the Quran!
Faceup does not know what he is talking about!
if faceup was Shia he would state the fur-u-id-deen.
They are ten things we do
1.salat
2.swam
3.hajj
4.zakat
5.khums
6.jihad
7.Amal-bin maruff
8.nahin anil-munkar
9.tawala
10.tabara
so these are what we give to god!
1.salat(prayers)
2.swam(fasting)
3.hajj
4.zakat(taxes)
5.khums(taxes syeds have to give)
6.jihad(fighting for islam)
7.amal-bin-maruff(do the rigt things as stated in quran)
8.nahin-a-nil-munkar(dont do bad things as stated in the quran
9.tawala(keep faith in god and he will take care of you)
10.tabara(dont disrespect god or say his name in vain)
so that is what we say!
Alhamdullilah, brothers Shair and Desert Fox:
I am so glad, you responded, and I am so glad to know about your aqeeda. Insha Allah, if there are more people like you, we will have less problems and less disagreements.
As muslims, we share the same basic beliefs. We should continue to try and earn good deeds by living our lives according to Quran and sharia, as much as possible. And, Insha Allah, all of us will be successful in the Day of Judgement.
I believe we would not gain much by constantly raising issues illustrating our differences of opinion and then to try and trash each others point of view. This is not only an exercise in futility but only increases the animosity between muslims, which must be avoided.
Assalam O Alaikum.