Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
yes their beliefs were vague even about humans like considering aged women as witches
their ideas were jumbled up
so the question remain unanswered that west remained without reason at some point of time in history, but still they could not have Sufisim as an institution in their society.
Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
they did not have beliefs and reasoned everything
like aged women might have gained some spiritual power by living in the church
Sufism is based on such beliefs which are beyond reasoning
Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
they did not have beliefs and reasoned everything
like aged women might have gained some spiritual power by living in the church
Sufism is based on such beliefs which are beyond reasoning
You mean metaphysics?
Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
You mean metaphysics?
I mean beliefs like those of islam like why we had to die Allah could have made this life eternal and so many more
there are no explanations Allah has His way
Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
similarly Sufism is based on beliefs without explanations
but the west wants explanations for every thing
Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
Wasnt the western society having their own renaissance at the same time of the golden age of sufism? I mean they too were having a simultaneous intellectual movement but so much of it was materialistic. It was a time for great works of art that the church was patronising. I don't think the sufis would have been all that interested in what was of value to the renaissance men and vice versa.
Re: Why Sufism didn’t flourish in west?
Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
so the question remain unanswered that west remained without reason at some point of time in history, but still they could not have Sufisim as an institution in their society.
I couldn't understand the question. let's firts decide if sufism is islamic thing or unislamic. if it is islamic then how can you expect west adopt it without accepting islam?
Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
I couldn't understand the question. let's firts decide if sufism is islamic thing or unislamic. if it is islamic then how can you expect west adopt it without accepting islam?
Its not limited to Islam or any particular religion.
The question is about absence of institutionalized version of sufism in west like we have in the form of 'Khanqah' in east.
Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
hmm, fine. So we need to see how 'khanqahi' tareeqa evoloved
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Exactly and then have to see missing factors in west for not developing Khanqahs.
Re: Why Sufism didn't flourish in west?
Exactly and then have to see missing factors in west for not developing Khanqahs.
what is a khanqah?
I mean, what are the defining characteristics of a khanqah?
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what is a khanqah?
sufiyon ka takiya. call it sarai, where people could stay, got food and learned through discussion. I don't know whether monasteries in west can be termed Khanqah.
Re: Why Sufism didn’t flourish in west?
Monasteries do have a long and big history in europe.
With the rise in material wealth, it is difficult to keep sufi traditions alive though. Some even claim that hippie movement was sufi in nature. 
But essentially, I think Sufism has been influenced by Buddhists in India and hence stronger impact of monks and monstrosities and propagation of similar values.
https://lirias.kuleuven.be/bitstream/123456789/385351/1/Chapter4.pdf is an interesting read.