Let me clear one thing before I start. I am not abusing Islam. I am asking a question for more information.
If Islam believes in one God only why are so many names for one God. Eg. Allah, Khudaa, parwardigah etc etc.
Big Bull
These are not necassarily names but words for god in various languages. Like god in english, khuda is a persian word, also khudawund, maula etc in other languages. but in islam there are names of God and I will try to explain why is it so.
The name for God is Allah, There are other names by which one could call God based on the chracteristics like Rehman, Raheem etc. they are pointing out at a certain characteristic. Like The Merciful, The all Knowing.
Like in the Kalmah
BismIllah Ar-rehman ar-raheem.
it is saying, with the name of allah, the compassionate, the merciful.
and people have names like abdullah i.e. the worshiper of allah, or abdulrehman i.e. the worshipper of the compassionate one. so these names just point towards the certain traits.
Hopefully I was able to answer your question, but if you need more clarification let me know and i can try to answer more or have someone else answer it.
Regards
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and people have names like abdullah i.e. the worshiper of allah, or abdulrehman i.e. the worshipper of the compassionate one.
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Abdallah means the man of god/Allah and Abdulrahman means "Rahman ka Banda"
Its just like Israel, in this wrod "Ael" means god.
I would be more interested in knowing, as Pir Sahah, says:
"BismIllah Ar-rehman ar-raheem.
it is saying, with the name of allah, the compassionate, the merciful."
If Allah in our Islam stands for Compassionate & Merciful then, Could someone explain how Islam expresses itself in ways of 'Compassionate & Merciful'.
Because, like I see it, mainstream Islam has ABSOLUTELY nothing that would suggest Compassion or Mercy! Do you agree with me or is it just me?
If what we follow has no compassion & mercy, then what is it that we are following?
Logical - what we are following is true ISLAM diluted by tradition and culture; which does not follow ISLAMIC teachings.
Islam is compassinate and merciful.
Modern day "islam" (even though it should not be called that) is mixed with traditional teachings which go against islam in every manner and no govt has taken any steps against it.
CM
Islam is the COMPLETE way of life and, that completeness includes culture & traditions!
Let me know if you do not understand this?
Now back to the challenge - show me how "your Islam" Represents and Reflects Commpassion & Mercy?
If you can't; then, what in God's name are you following?
CM: You may ask Naik Larki for her assistance here; and, to quote her: 'pls pad my ignorance'.
There are 99 names alone in Arabic (found on the back of Taj Company Quran - I guess on every Quran), there are many many other names in all languages to identify the supreme.
Those names in the back of Quran are the qualities attributed to God (by Muslims), e.g., Rehman (healer), Raheem (merciful), Malak (Owner), etc., etc.
I like Rub in Punjabi.
After posting I realized Pir Jee and I are saying the same thing. Great minds think alike!
Pir Jee di Jaay!
Logical
Islam is a complete religion and it gives you the complete way of leading your life. It has nothing to do with cultural or regional values. Get it ? Islamic teachings, laws have nothing to do with the cultural and regional values. Why dont you practice what you preach and have mercy and compassion and leave us Muslims alone.
Thanks
Kaleem
Religions are formed out of culture and traditions. When Isalm was introduced as a religion it didnt change the culuture in the Arabs it remaind the same. For example it was a common practice that when two tribes had to merge a girl was married to the other tribe. The prophet did that and 1300 years after the sauds did that.
““In 1744, they therefore took an oath that they would work together to achieve this end. Muhammad bin Saud’s son, Abdul Aziz, married the daughter of Imam Muhammad. Thus, with an oath and a marriage, the two leaders sealed a pact between their families, which has lasted through the centuries to the present day.””
(http://www.saudinf.com/main/b22.htm)
So the religion comes to the rescue of cultural and regional values. The Twaf of Kaaba was a common practice among the arabs before Islam, and hence it was kept in Islam. Ther are many more things like that.
Kaleem
My good man, that is exactly my point I was making to CM that Islam is indeed a complete way of life and this completeness includes Culture & Traditions!
My MAIN point is: If "Allah & His message" is Not about compssion & mercy then, why we, the humanity, need this "Allah"?
If you feel this 'Allah of the Wahabis' is full of mercy & compassion then pls enlighten us!
I have NO intention of leaving people & tariqa like yours alone.
Have you and your tariqa left others alone?
Ny ahmedi, thanks for mentioning the 99 names in arabic, i forgot to mention that.
Guys, big bull was asking a simple question for knowledge, is it imperative to turn every thread into some sort of argument?
I have noticed on this board that many attack islam and its teachings but provide no better alternative.
Logical - an oxymoron - NYA etc. all insult and condemn islam but provide no better solutions.
And logicals hatred for Wahabis - proves him to a be a racist of the highest degree.
But don't for get the fact that i think everybody is racist.
However logical is up with the kkk in my book.
As for the posts and islam.
Logical true - islam is a way of life, but it has its own culture and traditions.
Honour Killings - a pak and arab tradition is not allowed under Islam - thus a violation of the religion.
Islams own tradition anc culture consists of laws and rules which we have to follow.
There are many practices today that we follow that are not islamic.
As for the part where is islam is mercyful and compassionate i will post some when i have more time.
CM
Remember you have made a PROMISE to explain "whatever you follow" stands for Mercy & Compassion! You are welcome to consult any and all of your alims.
Remember If " Your Allah & His message" is Not about compssion & mercy then, why we, the humanity, need this "Allah" that you are promoting so much?
If you feel this 'Allah of the Wahabis' is full of mercy & compassion then pls enlighten us!
Finally, what is all these name calling; do you think I 've not heard these before!
Illogical scumbag, my open challenge to you ;
show me what your debillitated faith has to offer to alleviate human's sufferings and provide a comprehensive solutions to curb social evils. I and my other Wahabi fellows, on this forum ,will rebut your faith from the Islamic scripture.
Brudain of proof is not on us muslims, but on those morons like yourself, who think otherwise. Orthodox Islam is the fastest growing faith on this planet and will keep growing even faster- all you and your pals can do is watch and grief and if you stand in the way, you'ld be just wiped out just as easily
From your previous posts, it's quite evident that at one hand you immitate to be a muslim, yet, still defy the authenticity of Quran and
Hadith. Therefore, one can imagine that you just standing on thin ice and ashamed of your own believes.
[This message has been edited by outlaw (edited June 09, 2000).]
Hey Outlaw,
Thnx for your outlandish comments. I believe in Quran and 'authenticated hadiths' BUT, I do not believe in the 1,200 years old sharia laws which I call "Anti-Allah". I believe that the laws or interpretations have to REFLECT the current time & place!
Now, if you CANNOT prove that these sharia laws reflect "Allah Rehman -ir- Rahim" or "Allah is Compassionate & Merciful", then they are Anti-Allah! The follow-up question is: Then, what exactly are you following/preaching?
This is the challenge which you have accepted. I am not claiming to be the Messiah with all the answers. I am stating that "Your Islam" is anti-ALLAH or, its preachings are against Allah itself!
To REFUTE me, you may consult your armies of scholars, texts & traditions. In the end you will concede DEFEAT and admit that these 1,200 sharia laws are useless and are indeed Anti-Allah!.
The growth of Islam in North America is largely due to increased Immigration from muslim countries and their rabbit-like birth rate! The growth of Islam in Pakistan, for example, is DUE to the rabbit-like birth rate only!
illogical so ppl like mohammad ali and malcom x who converted to islam are rabbits? on the average mosques of US convert two to three folks every week... blacks and whites included. they become better muslims than u and i could ever be.
Thanks Mundyaa for pointing that out. We all need to know these things.
This thread has gone in a completely different direction than it was intended to. for sharia laws please start a new thread. Thanks