Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?
This is absolutely right. But what you want is freedom for Muslims and restrictions for everyone else.
Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?
As I asked someone previously, when did questioning the Holocaust mean insulting Judaism or Jews?
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Are you really that thick?
You take a mass murder of a group and then say it didn't happen and that isn't insulting to and hateful to that group of people?
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When questioning the holocaust is combined with a hatred of Jews.
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Uhhmmm yes.
But imply that certain un-named historical religious figures are the fantasies of 1400 year old false memories and he would blow a fuse.....
The Muslim and Arab World thrives on conspiracy theories. It is a preoccupation, as well as a lame attempt to prove that they are really so smart that they can see the real intrigue. The really fun conspiracies involve enemies.
Once again, just for the record, denying the Holocaust under the guise of "Free Speech", is a horribly lame attempt to stain your enemies, particualrly when "Free Speech" in it's truest forms is virtually unheard of in most Muslim and Arab counties.
Thinly disguised hate is worse than open hate. This whole thing makes Muslims link elbows with Neo-Nazis and the KKK in the minds of Westerners.
Oh well.
Then they will feign suprise when Islam does not get the respect they think it deserves. Wonder why?
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But imply that certain un-named historical religious figures are the fantasies of 1400 year old false memories and he would blow a fuse.....
I was about to make this point myself.
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Losing your temper is often a sign of losing the argument.
A lot of people who question the facts around the holocaust don’t question it did not happen, rather dispute the fictious numbers that never add up, and are supposed to believe.
Many other groups were actually murdered on mass i.e. blacks and native Indians. Are people who question or make excuses for those crimes also hateful to such groups?
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Most people who question the holocaust probably don’t even hate Jews. They could be representing other groups who did actually have millions of their kin by the Nazi’s i.e. Gypsies, Slavs and the disabled. Are we to say these people hate Jews as well?
Once these anti-freedom of speech laws go, we will see proper debate on the actual numbers killed - Gypsies, Jews, Slavs and others.
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^^ Don't forget the Bengalis. Lot's of denial in Pakistan that they actually killed three million! Let's re-write that history tooo!
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So you agree that when armed gunmen storm diplomatic offices, it is a sign that their personal belief has lost the argument. That is to say, they are insecure in their beliefs. So, this seems to be a hallmark of Muslims then.
Many other groups were actually murdered on mass i.e. blacks and native Indians. Are people who question or make excuses for those crimes also hateful to such groups?
Yes they are. Objective questioning and falsifying evidence to make your point are two different things. The issue is not questioning wether the numbers add up or not.
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Ah! I wounder what happened to the great democracies and their mighty freedom… Tough ain’t it!!!
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If the Jews or anyone is falsifying evidence around the Holocaust then they should be openly questioned about it in free debates across the European and world media. No laws should stop any questioning the Holocaust. Somebody has something to hide when they need laws to stop people asking questions and doubting the so-called facts.
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*Of course David Irving should be freed. Muzzling people is no way to defeat an odious point of view. All these "Holocaust denial" prohibitions ever succeed in doing is romanticising the target. Even the usual canard about yelling "fire" in a theatre has no application here, as Irving has no history of promoting violence. *
Jason Stern, Washington DC, USA
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You take a mass murder of a group and then say it didn't happen and that isn't insulting to and hateful to that group of people?
He's not thick, he's consciously blind with no conscience. Even terrorists are better than these pathetic people, atleast they believe in something (no matter how wrong or how blindly) and are ready to give up their lives for that, atleast some of them. But about Reza, they are the squeamish kinds, full of hypocrisy and hatred.
I have gone overboard but people like Reza bring out the hatred for such people in me.
Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?
No laws should stop people from blaspheming or proselytizing as well. Obviously, only people that need to hide something have laws like these in place.
I respond again. Constructively saying that the number of people killed in the hollocaust is a good thing. This needs to be debated. It is debated every time a conspiracy theorist or a denier is proven wrong. Simply put, the reason most try to refute is a dislike of Jews...particularly Muslims.
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But imply that certain un-named historical religious figures are the fantasies of 1400 year old false memories and he would blow a fuse.....
The Muslim and Arab World thrives on conspiracy theories. It is a preoccupation, as well as a lame attempt to prove that they are really so smart that they can see the real intrigue. The really fun conspiracies involve enemies.
Once again, just for the record, denying the Holocaust under the guise of "Free Speech", is a horribly lame attempt to stain your enemies, particualrly when "Free Speech" in it's truest forms is virtually unheard of in most Muslim and Arab counties.
Thinly disguised hate is worse than open hate. This whole thing makes Muslims link elbows with Neo-Nazis and the KKK in the minds of Westerners.
Oh well.
Then they will feign suprise when Islam does not get the respect they think it deserves. Wonder why?
Ditto
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How can you prove that most people who question the facts about Holocaust (not the actual crime) in anyway dislike Jews, especially when no one can legally question it in Europe? Most people who are languishing in jails in Europe for doing this or who are being prosecuted for doing this, are actually white Christians. That much is fact.
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Those who are supporting the laws against Holocaust Denial have conceded in this thread that there is no such thing as absolute Freedom of Speech. Hypocrisy.
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It's not a crime if an individual say so but head of states refrain from making stupid comments like this.. it's diplomacy 101......... man you can go ahead even make movie write books spinning stories how holocaust is fake but do make sure the head of state you are living in doesn't drivel on those lines because UN expects more responsible behaviour............
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When was the last Hollywood movie made that questioned the oft repeated claims made by the Jews about the Holocaust? Can you please let us all know the name of that movie.