Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

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The US has freedom of speech and Israel does not. You are welcome to come to the US and deny the holocaust all you want. The US is full of people who deny the holocaust, just like there are people who don't believe that man has been to the moon or that the world is round. No one should be barred from speech due to absurdity.

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I agree, as long as the speech does not threaten violence.

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Yes, UTD Israel is indeed a very insecure state, if it requires such laws, and your none justification proves that. Many whites do indeed deny the crimes committed against the Natives, and even your reply indicates justifications for it as well.

When was the last time any American news network aired a documentary questioning the so-called facts about the Holocaust? Can you name any such programmes?

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When does questioning the Holocaust constitute threatening violence?

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Do whites also deny that millions of blacks were killed during the slave trades?

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The real point is denial of the Holocaust undercuts one of the critical theories as to why the State of Israel is essential to the Security of the Jewish people.

Muslim Holocaust deniers think that there is some political gain to be had by questioning the foundation and reasoning for a separate Jewish State.

Just to let you know, by doing this, most Europeans and Americans, consider this blatant hatred, and we tend to group you with other Hate Speech advocates such as the KKK and Neo-Nazis. This does not enhance your image, make you look clever, or do anything to diffuse the Islam=Terrorism image that you are worried about in other threads.

Once again, a very good summary of the history of Holocaust denial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Although the purpose for Holocaust denial is to undercut the rational for Israel, it pretty much makes you look like hate filled idiots.

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Of course they do, but when they do that it is freedom of expression, but not so when people legitimately question the numbers or facts surrounding the Holocaust.

A point to add. Almost all the people in jail or being prosecuted in Europe today for questioning the Holocaust are White Christians. Some people forget this fact as well.

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They also tend to be Neo-Nazis. Muslims that deny the holocaust tend to do it to nullify the reason the Israel exists. It is not constructive, simply hate filled. Muslims hate Jews and equating Muslims to Neo-Nazis is a perfect example.

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I didn't say it did.

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Well if thats the case then Muslims must be really insecure about their religion.

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Not true. All people who dispute the Holocaust cannot necessarily be labelled as Neo-Nazi's or anti-semites. If that was the case then people who question the facts around the genocide of Indians and blacks in America would all be labelled as racists and Neo-Nazi's as well.

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Then people in European countries who question the Holocaust, but do not threaten violence should be allowed to, and these laws should go?

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The point is, muslims are not questioning the numbers or facts. This is very old ground, that the Neo Nazi's plowed for you decades ago. There have been extensive investigations into all sorts of "facts" and "numbers", and independent historians have time and time again torn apart the Holocaust deniers, and in many cases found these deniers to be fabricating "evidence".

Ask yourself one other question. Are not the European countries that have Holocaust Denial laws the ones that are most likely to know what really went on? These countries witnessed first hand the Nazis, knew what they were capable of, and countries like Austria and Germany had millions of soldiers, witnesses, records and family members who had personal experience with the Holocaust. So how do you think some President of Iran, who until his election had never before travelled out of Iran has such personal and convincing knowledge that the Holocaust is a hoax?

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I think it's up to them to decide on how they handle their hate laws.

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When was the last time you saw a tv news programme in North America questioning the Holocaust? We see reems of documentaries questinioning every aspect about the rise of Nazism in Europe, and differing opinions as to why it all happened. But do we ever see any programme questioning a single sentance of the so-called facts about the Holocaust?

Why are White European Christians denied such freedoms of expression?

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*Britain's great gifts to America and the world were freedom of speech and trial by jury. It is sad now to see Brits willing to put an "except" on the right to speak freely. Once you start limiting speech in any way you open the door to future speech limiters. Freedom of speech must be total and without restriction. *

Douglas Wargo, Portland

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It's like Pakistan questioning the Pakistan earthquake of 2005, did people really die? We went to war and saw with our own eyes, the proof is overwhelming sorry that your hate blinds you.

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They generally are in both cases.

There is some absurd notion among Muslims and Neo-Nazis that the holocaust is never critically examined. If nothing else, every time a denier is debunked proof is presented to disprove their claims. Fact of the matter is, the freedom of expression Muslims want, in denying the holocaust, is more like freedom of fantasy. Hoping the holocaust did not happen so the existence of a Jewish homeland would not be necessary. Either way, no one should be barred from making an ass of themselves or presenting falsehoods.

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So do you agree with this? If so you have no problem with your prophet being mocked in cartoons or other media forms, correct?

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Go ahead question all you want about the earthquake, because it does not offend many people, and we certainly do not have laws in Pakistan restricting such a freedom to do so.

Unless you are pushing the age of 80, I don't believe you fought in WW2, hence everything you believe about the Holocaust was told to you by others in that age group. Old people have such weak or imaginitive memories as well.