Why read Quran? We can't understand it

[Ripper]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

I think what she is saying is that the Hadeeths which mention that, this act equates to Hajj, are weak or fabricated Hadiths. Perhaps you can share the referrence of this Hadeeth us, because even I have troubles understanding this.

if i find the reference i will cite it. however, could you bring forth any ruling of a scholar which actually states tht the given hadith is fabricated?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

@Ripper

if i find the reference i will cite it. however, could you bring forth any ruling of a scholar which actually states** tht the given hadith is fabricated**?

What given hadith? Bring the hadith first, and then I will see if it is or isn't.

[Ripper]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

What given hadith? Bring the hadith first, and then I will see if it is or isn't.

you said that the isnad is weak, then you must have seen it. so cite it.

[mercenary2k]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

One should Read the Quran in Arabic as that is God's Words but to fully understand the message of the Quran you must read it in a language you can understand it in

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

^^ You cannot fully understand Arabic literature (i.e. writing techniques; metaphors) translated into another language, because they won't make sense once translated into another language.

@Ripper

you said that the isnad is weak, then you must have seen it. so cite it.

No I didn't. I said I have never heard of it, and it sounds unbelievable. So, I won't believe it until I see it, and until it is confirmed that its authentic.

[Ripper]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

Ali Ibn Abi Talib reported that when the Prophet's daughter, Fatima came to him and asked him for a servant, he said to her and Ali: “Shall I not teach you something that will be better for you than a servant? When you go to bed, say 'SubhanAllah' thirty-three times, 'Al-hamdulillah' thirty-three times, and
'Allahu Akbar' thirty-four times. This is better for you than a servant.” [Saheeh al-Bukharee and Saheeh Muslim]

There is a similar hadith where the Prophet (saw) adviced hz Ali a.s. to perform Hajj, Jihad etc before sleeping through the recitation of surahs. I'll look up for that particular hadith inshAllah.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Why read Quran? We can’t understand it

@Ripper

Ali Ibn Abi Talib reported that when the Prophet’s daughter, Fatima came to him and asked him for a servant, he said to her and Ali: **“Shall **I not teach you something that will be better for you than a servant? When you go to bed, say ‘SubhanAllah’ thirty-three times, ‘Al-hamdulillah’ thirty-three times, and
‘Allahu Akbar’ thirty-four times. This is better for you than a servant.” [Saheeh al-Bukharee and Saheeh Muslim]

What does this have to do with Hajj?

@Ripper

There is a similar hadith where the Prophet (saw) adviced hz Ali a.s. to perform Hajj, Jihad etc before sleeping through the recitation of surahs. I’ll look up for that particular hadith inshAllah.

Perform Hajj by reciting Surah(s) befoer sleeping?

And, please provide the exact referrence to the Hadith, not just the name of the book (which doesn’t help much).

[Ripper]

Re: Why read Quran? We can’t understand it

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

Perform Hajj by reciting Surah(s) befoer sleeping?

Well if reciting Surah Fatiha can be a cure for every illness, I have no problem in accepting that it also carries the reward of Hajj. or some other surah for tht matter.

And, please provide the exact referrence to the Hadith, not just the name of the book (which doesn’t help much).

The site i got tht from only mentions Sahih Bukhari and Muslim. and thts enough i guess.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

@Ripper

Well if reciting Surah Fatiha can be a cure for every illness, I have no problem in accepting that it also carries the reward of Hajj. or some other surah for tht matter.

So your saying that if I recite Surah Fatiyah, I am exempted from performing Hajj, and that it has the exact same reward ?

And, can you also provide referrence to it being a cure for every illness?
Thanks

@Ripper

The site i got tht from only mentions Sahih Bukhari and Muslim. and thts enough i guess.

Enough, maybe for someone who doesn't care if its right or wrong. How do you know such a thing even exists in there, just because some website mentioned it?

[Ripper]

Re: Why read Quran? We can’t understand it

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

So your saying that if I recite Surah Fatiyah, I am exempted from performing Hajj, and that it has the exact same reward ?

No, you are not exempted from ‘performing’ Hajj. ‘Performing Hajj’ is obligatory. You only get the ‘reward’ from reciting it.

And, can you also provide referrence to it being a cure for every illness?

http://www.abc.se/~m9783/qur.html
In fact thts O level Islamiat. I have always known abt this. So its no suprise for me.

Enough, maybe for someone who doesn’t care if its right or wrong. How do you know such a thing even exists in there, just because some website mentioned it?

Go to the above site. Do you have Sahih Bukhari?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Why read Quran? We can’t understand it

@Ripper

No, you are not exempted from ‘performing’ Hajj. ‘Performing Hajj’ is obligatory. You only get the ‘reward’ from reciting it.

I won’t believe it until I see it.

@Ripper

http://www.abc.se/~m9783/qur.html
In fact thts O level Islamiat. I have always known abt this. So its no suprise for me.

Well its not surprising to me that you don’t know the referrence.

@Ripper

Go to the above site. Do you have Sahih Bukhari?

Yes, I do. Its quite a big book, and that is precisely why I ask you for the exact referrence, and not just the name of the book.

If you know its true, then u must also know the exact place where its written… unless you were following blindly.

[LP]

Re: Why read Quran? We can’t understand it

……the topic changed…the initial post was directed to something else…& now the posts r directed to something else..

[Ripper]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

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Well its not surprising to me that you don't know the referrence.
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I gave the reference for the hadis i cited. The probability that the site is lieing abt the reference is quite low.

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Yes, I do. Its quite a big book, and that is precisely why I ask you for the exact referrence, and not just the name of the book.
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. Does that book have contents? Are there hadis arranged according to subjects? If do then please check for that.

Lastly, the point is, reciting the surah is of great rewards. Hajj, Zakat, emancipating slaves is of great rewards and that is the reason the recitaton of the surahs is equated to such rewards. :)

[Light_Bearer]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

@Ripper

Well if reciting Surah Fatiha can be a cure for every illness, I have no problem in accepting that it also carries the reward of Hajj. or some other surah for tht matter.

Wow, I would be happy to know if you can give a reference of an experiment carried out in controlled conditions to prove it. I mean "every illness" is sure a huge claim.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

@Ripper

I gave the reference for the hadis i cited. The probability that the site is lieing abt the reference is quite low.

No, you gave referrence to a very large book. You didn't tell us where in the book. How do I know if it even exists in the book? How do YOU know if it even exists?

[picoico]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

^^ You cannot fully understand Arabic literature (i.e. writing techniques; metaphors) translated into another language, because they won't make sense once translated into another language.

THis

No I didn't. I said I have never heard of it, and it sounds unbelievable. So, I won't believe it until I see it, and until it is confirmed that its authentic.
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[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Why read Quran? We can't understand it

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