Why r ppl classified into Syeds, Rajputs..

[Silly_Billy]

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Rajputs clean donkeys tackle for a living and mouchis make jewellery something like that I think.

It's all backwards backwas though and only small minded villagers believe in such stuff.

[Degas]

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@Chel Chabila Babu

Caste and tribe are very different.

no they r not! there were tribes even in Arabia where they took pride and didnt marry in lower tribes.. its the same thing as castes.. why people today in Pakistan use those medieval tribal names? caste system is not the same as was in past hindu culture its just same as knowing people in group same as Hashmis, qureshis, syeds (biggest joke)… we should condemn all if we want to including syeds, bukharis and as such.. why some people can have preveledge of naming them above mentioned and not rana, rao, cheema, chatha etc…

[Ma_Mooli]

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err an why would we want to condemn them?

[hiccup]

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@elahi

These sub groups are hard coded in the human brain. The more ignorant and jahil people are, the more stock they put in ethnicity, tribe or biradiri, or whatever else you might call it. If you go to any half civilized part of the world, forget about tribe, biraderi\family, most goras do’nt even know what country there ancestors are from

That my love is becasue the gora are very factually and without prejudice the biggest race of *******s there ever was. The more – affluent and upper class of the gorai also have this “cultural” niceity.

[Ma_Mooli]

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elahi, perhaps you havent heard of surnames such as Goldsmith, Baker, Thatcher, an Bishop etc?

[elahi]

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I have heardc of the names, but I've never heard of goras having much regard for them. That is a reminent of there culture from like 400 yrs ago. Have ou ever heard of a Thatcher who still makes shoes for a living because his ancestors did? But what I really meant was that in a place like here (Canada), many goras dont even know if they are originally British or Scottish or Russian. Even if there ancestors came like 2-3 generations ago. You see they dont put stock in these things the way eastern people do.

[Ma_Mooli]

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You know, I’d love to know more about my ancestors, who they were and what they got up to. And To an extent i do, having just managed to retrieve my shajarah a while back, I cudnae wait to add my name to it, despite it having only men’s name ( :halo: )

i haven’t heard thatchers making shoes yaar, but thats maybe because they dont thatch shoes. Its the roof they deal with. But still, i get your point. however, recently, there was a documentary called ‘find your ancestors’, an there were allsorts of asians, jews and goreh going back into history to find thier roots. Its not just a desi phenomena, an even it was, I’d be dead proud of it. It is only the jahil type that use it to cause more division, but that does not mean we should forget it altogether does it.

[Chel_Chabila_Babu]

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@Degas

no they r not! there were tribes even in Arabia where they took pride and didnt marry in lower tribes.. its the same thing as castes.. why people today in Pakistan use those medieval tribal names? caste system is not the same as was in past hindu culture its just same as knowing people in group same as Hashmis, qureshis, syeds (biggest joke)… we should condemn all if we want to including syeds, bukharis and as such.. why some people can have preveledge of naming them above mentioned and not rana, rao, cheema, chatha etc…

Arab tribes did have a concept of superiority/inferiority but that was based on the tribes wealth and it’s actions and wasn’t something permanent, regardless in this regard the pagan Arabs were just as bad as Hindus, some still are today as are some Pakistanis who have ill founded superiority complexes…

For Pakistan all caste/tribal identities are socially divisive (whether they be Khan or Bhatti) probably more than any other society, our people don’t deserve the privilege of having tribal/caste surnames because they abuse them, this is a menace in our society and needs to wiped out as soon as possible, surnames after the first name of a paternal forefather as is the custom in many segments of Pakistani society is the way forward because it’s more cohesive for our country and will help our people grow into a forward thinking, open-minded nation who can concentrate on more important things and is not hell bent upon frivolous things like caste and tribe… We need to let go of our stagnant mindsets and not give undue importance to silly things and start concentrating on that, which will truly make us shine and our nation prosper.

Outdated concepts like caste and tribe (or at least the Pakistani understanding of them) has no place in a country which wants to be modern and urbanised. I know they have surnames in western countries but westerners are wiser than us and know not give them any importance, in our country we need to break the current tribal/caste set up, and family affiliations and can take their place without any concept of superiority/inferiority.

[Degas]

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^ nice thoughts.. but Pakistans biggest problem is the brahmans of Islam - sayeds and alike - and not castes like rajputs, jats etc. These so called super castes of Islam humiliate masses every day.. think themselves as far above other muslims.. to be prosperous Pakistan should get rid of these good for nothing thugs at once..

[Ma_Mooli]

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^ Now this is the racist behaviour we can do without. What you are suggesting, is called 'ethinic cleansing' mister, its people of your views, pak would do well to get rid of.

[Chel_Chabila_Babu]

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@Degas

^ nice thoughts.. but Pakistans biggest problem is the brahmans of Islam - sayeds and alike - and not castes like rajputs, jats etc. These so called super castes of Islam humiliate masses every day.. think themselves as far above other muslims.. to be prosperous Pakistan should get rid of these good for nothing thugs at once..

I agree…

I’ve only ever heard Desi Muslims use the term Sayyid (Master) for the Prophet’s (PBUH) family, amongst the Arab Muslims that I know it’s unheard of.

In Islam the only “privilege” people descended from the Prophet’s (PBUH) family have is they’re not allowed to eat of charity (Sadaqah) even if they’re needy (don’t ask me why coz I don’t know and don’t care), they have to help themselves or make do with gifts (if I’m wrong then somebody more knowledgeable please don’t hesitate to correct me using the Qur’aan and Sunnah by opening a thread in religion forum and linking it over here).

This undue Sainthood (Peeri-Faqeeri) that is ascribed to everyone and anyone who claims to belong to the Prophet’s (PBUH) family is nonsense, it’s ones individual piety which makes people closer to God not lineage and if these people were truly pious it would be for God, they wouldn’t use it to their advantage and rob people of their wealth and commonsense like they are doing in parts of rural Pakistan, only silly mindless zombies revere such people, I’ve got a few in my extended family, can’t stand them..

They’re not any holier than anyone else and should be judged as individuals, and there’s nothing wrong with marrying their women or vice versa, the misconception amongst Desi Muslims that it’s not allowed is bollocks.

Like everyone else they should be free to keep track of their lineage but not boast about it, think it makes them better or make “Sayyid” (Master) a part of their name, they like everyone else should follow the surnaming system I prescribed earlier on.

[Chel_Chabila_Babu]

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@Ma Mooli

recently, there was a documentary called ‘find your ancestors’, an there were allsorts of asians, jews and goreh going back into history to find thier roots. Its not just a desi phenomena, an even it was, I’d be dead proud of it. It is only the jahil type that use it to cause more division, but that does not mean we should forget it altogether does it.

For Western people it’s only a bit of harmless fun, looking into their lineage is nothing more than a hobby to relive boredom… They don’t give nowhere near as much importance to such silly things as we do.

Most of them couldn’t care less where their ancestors are from or who they were…

[Chel_Chabila_Babu]

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@nia_khan

if i sit down and make a family tree it would go back all the way to Adam and eve…

Allah made syeds, khans, rajput, arian, awan and all others with same matti

@Sharaabi

Yet they are signs of Jahiliyah. Ethnic background and lineage is all good, but when the caste system starts dictating that one is better than the other; for eg. Rajputs are better than Gujjars, or a Gujjar dad will not let his kid get married to a son of a Jatt, thats just plane Jahiliyah.

This is one of the reasons, of why we are still struggling. Desis in the subcontinent are still clinging on to many of the Jahiliyah customs and practices.

Exactly, we’ve all got the same roots…

Pride in ones lineage just causes unnecessary stress (we’ve more important things to worry about), it limits our martial prospects, causes further divides and causes narrow minded racist loners who are hung up on their so called “pure lineage”.

The Islamically approved concept of tribe is nothing more than an extended family, Assabiyyah (pride, partisanship etc.) based on tribe, nation or language was made forbidden. We need to wipe out the current divisive tribal/caste system by getting rid of family surnames and educating people so that over time the healthy ‘extended family’ understanding of tribes can take it’s place.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=191837

[Ma_Mooli]

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Pride in ones lineage just causes unnecessary stress (we’ve more important things to worry about), it limits our martial prospects, causes further divides and causes narrow minded racist loners who are hung up on their so called “pure lineage”.
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I dont agree simply because the same can be apply to your nationality, your religion and even your gender. Its natural for humans to belong to a group that identifies them. Its not neccessarily a bad thing, unless you make it one.

By eliminating your caste, the problem will not go away, until the mentality is changed. Humans will just latch on to something else to pride themselves with. We dont have to ignore that we're pakistanis or muslims just because we may pride ourself on it do we? The logic is totally flawed. Its our attitude towards others thats gotta change an education is the key, not stripping off your identity. It seems we're barking up the wrong tree here.

[Chel_Chabila_Babu]

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Education is the key but we can't rely on that alone..

The caste/tribal system needs to be completely abolished, such useless identities we can do without in this day and age, they serve no purpose.

[funny_jammies]

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Good topic and discussion. When you look at the reasonings and facts offered it appears all religions will ultimately mature and progress to the same conclusion as to the classification of people that the Hindu scripts described, which later mutated into the 'caste' divisions.

[shweetdreamz]

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@funny jammies

Good topic and discussion. When you look at the reasonings and facts offered it appears all religions will ultimately mature and progress to the same conclusion as to the classification of people that the Hindu scripts described, which later mutated into the ‘caste’ divisions.

i dont get it…what are u saying?