why people have started rejecting ahadees these days

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Some *specific ***replies **before going into some of the other issues on this topic:

Other posts…

How did the prophet deal with apostates and adultery? You don’t have to follow it, just tell us what did the prophet and his sahaba do when confronting these two issues?

How do you know that? Source? On whose authority are you claiming that?

So, what happened to the prophet when he was in Hira cave? What was said/revealed there? Or him being in the cave, etc. is disputed too because that is in the hadith books… no wait, its also in the western history books, so it must be true.

The five pillars…

So, can we get detailed and full description, explanation on these issues FROM QURAN only:

  1. How to perform abolution(wudu) for prayer?
  2. The basis of AZAAN in Islam?
  3. How to perform the salat?
  4. How many rakah in each salat? The timings?
  5. How to perform HAJJ? Various situation that people face during hajj, how to over come those, what do to do in such situations? The Qurbani?
  6. Zakah, how? How much? To whom? Benefits? Details?
  7. Ramadam… tarawih?
  8. Ramadan start and end?
  9. Start and end of each fast?
  10. Forbidden activities? Allowed ones?
    Those are just basic, fundamental principles of Islam… not going into details about importance of knowing about the prophet, his life and how he lived it as an *example *for ALL of mankind:
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    “And We have not sent you (O Mohammad) except as a giver of glad tidings and a warner to all mankind.” **34:28

Even if we question the “authencity” of sunnah, it does make one wonder about how we received the quran?

Some say quran is same as it was revealed… not really. It was changed (ze zabr added, etc.) so it is easier for the non arabic people to read and understand? Even if we take that, people who forwarded Quran and its teachings to us are also the narrators of many of the hadiths found in the books. And as far as history of the hadith recording goes, that was also happening at the time of the prophet Mohammad… this myth about hadith recordings started 200 years after the death of the prophet is nothing but a myth created to serve as the base for anti-islamic imperial forces to keep attacking Islam and its sources of guidance.

Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) IS ISLAM. How can Allah not protect his prophet’s example? Why only protect Quran and not Islam as well? We don’t find details about Prophet Mohammad’s life in Quran… however, we do find those in sahi hadith books.

The whole idea behind rejecting sunnah/hadith was to undermine Islam, quran as well as important Islamic figures througout the centuries. Even prophet didn’t oppose to the idea of not recording his sayings, his hadiths… no body did until 150 years ago when anti-islamic imperial colonial rule invaded Muslim lands and caused rift from within using *liars *such as Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani, Taha Hussain, Pervaiz, etc.

The strategy to use these cults is simple:
When Muslims don’t get information about their prophet and Sahaba from the hadith books and seek guidance from teachings and example of the prophet, they will be forced to get the information from western history books which contain what type of lies and text, we all know.

Many Muslims do not have good knowledge and workings of how hadiths were compiled, what is the criteria used, what principles are used to accept hadiths/narrations or reject them… yet they wouldn’t have problem believing anything about Prophet Mohammad, his life and his sahaba if it were from some history book that they picked up from their uni’s bookstore.

People who went far and beyond, walked all over Islamic world of that time to COMPILE* (not write them down themselves… the hadiths were there already)* are being nullified by people who believe in fake prophets, fake imams and dead peers and which cows are joining their herd? The gullible westernized “muslim” modernists.

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O bhai kitnee dafa batayain? go back and read the posts carefully again..

not the Prophet’s life, our life.. u really have to polish those reading comprehension skills of yours.. the point is that sending a human to humans is Allah’s way of warning them.. if he used Angels or more heavenly methods it wouldn’t be a test anymore and everyone would immediately believe.

Absolutely. That explanation is within the Qur’an.. ever wonder why it had to be such a thick book? Nothing was incumbent on the messenger except the DELIVERY of the message.(5:92, 64:12). And the Prophet was only to use the Qur’an for his job of warning the people.. nothing else (6:19)

buzzzz wrong again.. لْكِتَابَ is what the Qur’an is a part of and الْحِكْمَةَ is a part of the Qur’an

[31:2]ِلْكَ آيَاتُ الْكِتَابِ الْحَكِيمِ - These are verses of the Book of Wisdom

You simply accept what he brought.. The Qur’an.. and start believing in the oneness of Allah. That’s ‘following’ the Prophet.. not how he blew his nose.

dude.. u are still going around in circles and refusing to admit.. what has this got to do with the question you asked. You wanted specific instances where hadith overrules Qur’an.. I provided them.. now u respond by asking more questions? What does it matter how and what the Prophet did? we have no sure way of knowing that do we? The Qur’an is EXTREMELY SPECIFIC and VERY CLEAR on these punishments. Why do we need to go search for other stories to arrive at a law again?

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Actually quite the contrary. The whole purpose of getting rid of fabricated compilations is to bring back the glory of the Quran and disassociate the non-Quranic commentary linked to our beloved Prophet Muhammad (S) found in those narrations.

It is very simple to implement a lifestyle based on the Allah-made Quran in a country or society. The problems arise when people come up with the man-made system of the so called hadees - viewed differently by various sects.

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Lajjo, I am out fo town right now and dont have access to all my files and will give you specifics on chapter and all when i return.

although i do find it amusing that the champions of blindly taking hadeeth at face value as a directive to folloew to the word, dont even know what is in these books.

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Anyway, do touch up on this part of my post:

So, can we get detailed and full description, explanation on these issues FROM QURAN only:

  1. How to perform abolution(wudu) for prayer?
  2. The basis of AZAAN in Islam?
  3. How to perform the salat?
  4. How many rakah in each salat? The timings?
  5. How to perform HAJJ? Various situation that people face during hajj, how to over come those, what do to do in such situations? The Qurbani?
  6. Zakah, how? How much? To whom? Benefits? Details?
  7. Ramadam… tarawih?
  8. Ramadan start and end?
  9. Start and end of each fast?
  10. Forbidden activities? Allowed ones?
    *]cutting of hands… how? What is the criteria?
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So, do they believe these too?

My position in relation to the prophets who came before me can be explained by the following example: A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marveled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets.
(Bukhari, Muslim,Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad, Tirmizi, Babu Khatimin-Nabiyyin, Musnad Abu Dawud Tayalisi)

You (Hazrat Ali) are related to me as Aaron was related to Moses (pbuh). But no Apostle will come after me.
(Bukhari, Muslim
Musnad recorded a similar hadith ending in ‘Behold there is no prophethood after me.’)

…and countless others?

What about various prophecies in the hadith book regarding day of judgement and time after the prophet and his companions?
Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Link 4

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U might wanna start quoting more intelligently if you wish for a response.. it’s a lot of work trying to extract your comments embedded in my quoted paragraphs.

His life’s (and the life of all Prophet’s prior to him) are an example for us. What’s common between all of them is the belief in one God. That’s the example we are supposed to follow..

yes..both refer to the Qur’an and no there is no way you can interpret it ot mean anything else.

Strange that u would say that to me.. someone who’s trying to defend the Prophet’s honor by rejecting the falsehoods attributed to him but you have no problem with the filth in the books approved by Bukhari and co.. very strange..

It doesn’t matter!! That’s the whole point. Your religion and mine isn’t affected by how the Prophet used to live his daily life… ALL that matters is that he believed in One God and asked us to do the same. His personal hygine isn’t a matter of any importance and is frankly his personal business.

No one is getting mad.. a little frustrated at the level of intellect i have to deal with..

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again i’m not surprised at the level you’d stoop to .. mocking the Qur’an only to uphold your false idols. Try and understand for one last time. When the qur’an is perfectly clear on a ruling.. you don’t have to go fishing for alternatives. IT DOESN"T MATTER how and what the prophet did cuz we have NO RELIABLE WAY of knowing what he did. The truth is that the punishment is CLEAR CUT in the Qur’an and you and your ilk have used the hadith to supercede that. THAT"S the argument and u’re running from it..

Entirely a new discussion.. feel free to open a thread each and we can discuss.

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I have read their explanation but don't remember it, may be you can open a separate thread and ask them directly.

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Enough games:

** So, can we get detailed and full description, explanation on these issues FROM QURAN only:**

  1. How to perform abolution(wudu) for prayer?
  2. The basis of AZAAN in Islam?
  3. How to perform the salat?
  4. How many rakah in each salat? The timings?
  5. How to perform HAJJ? Various situation that people face during hajj, how to over come those, what do to do in such situations? The Qurbani?
  6. Zakah, how? How much? To whom? Benefits? Details?
  7. Ramadam... tarawih?
  8. Ramadan start and end?
  9. Start and end of each fast?
  10. Forbidden activities? Allowed ones?
  11. cutting of hands.... how? What is the criteria?
  12. what did the prophet and his sahaba do when they were faced with apostates and adultery? What PROPHET MOhammad DID DOES MATTER to Muslims. His life matters to us, his actions matter to us, his reactions matter to us, his behaviour matter to us, his rulings matter to us, Muslims.

If we were to listen to Qadiyanis, shias and anti-sunnah folks and *DISOWN **the way of the prophet mohammad, then whole basis of Islam, islamic history would be lost. Then we will be forced to listen to same people *(who created qadiyanism) who sponsor your television shows, television channels and learn about Prophet Mohammad and his sahaba and their legacy in protecting Islam, Quran and way of the Prophet throughout the generations and passing it on as they should and as they were told to do so in LAST sermon of the Prophet Mohammad.

How prophet walked, how prophet talked, how prophet dealt with friends, enemies, cleaning, sleeping, politics, religion, household - IT ALL matters to Muslims, it should, it has to. You cannot be a muslim unless you love and adore Prophet Mohammad and his actions, his way of worshipping, his way of practicing islam.

For you, example of your fake prophet, for Muslims, examples of our Prophet, the last true prophet in line of Prophets.

The 12 points that I've mentioned above, if you can answer those in DETAIL then do so! Otherwise, no reason going in circles and deceive everybody with your tactics, that are based on half-truthiness, half imagination and follow a 150 year old strategy to kill Islam from within... first with fake prophets, fake imams and then disowning of islamic history, islamic traditions and way of the prophet and his sahaba.

I want long hair!!!
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yeah that's what I've been saying: u've conceded the argument by trying to move the goal posts yet again and starting new arguments without concluding earlier ones.. so let the record show you're throwing in the towel for this one.

Thank you.. come again.

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Though I am not a ‘Quran-only’ guy, but even then I can answer some of these:

When you were taught how to perform wudu, did you notice that each act was either ‘farz’ or ‘sunnat’? Yes, the ‘farz’ part is mandatory and is available in Quran.

If it is not in Quran, then its not ‘farz’ to say azaan for a salaat.

I think timing was already described by ImranJaff in another thread you were participant of.

Its all in the Quran… 40th part of your wealth, and if I am not wrong 5th part of your farm income (if applicable).

What about Ramadan? Are you talking about whats haram and whats halal/makrooh in fasting? or when to start and when to finish? Tarawih is not farz, again.

Lunar calendar is old, not established in Islam.

:hehe: you do love running in circles, don’t you?

My pet camel............
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PA, still my questions stand. Do come again.

Captain,

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When you were taught how to perform wudu, did you notice that each act was either 'farz' or 'sunnat'? Yes, the 'farz' part is mandatory and is available in Quran.
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Where in Quran?

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I think timing was already described by ImranJaff in another thread you were participant of.
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Wouldn't hurt to list them again...

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What about Ramadan? Are you talking about whats haram and whats halal/makrooh in fasting? or when to start and when to finish? Tarawih is not farz, again.
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Haram, halal, start, finish, etc.

Tarawih, of course not farz, but it was done by the prophet and his Sahaba, right? Or are we going to disown tarawih too because we know it through hadith books? :D

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Lunar calendar is old, not established in Islam.
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Prophet followed it, his sahaba did, Islamic world did for centuries... are we too dumb for it?

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you do love running in circles, don't you?
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No, not really. I like to remind the reader of what is the background of attack on Sunnah, hadith books and examples of the prophet and his sahaba. And sadly, those groups are the primary source of encouragment as it serves their purpose and purpose of their fake prophets and imams as well as forces that help create them.

I know, some of the users I am having discussions with are Qadiyanis or shias so they have no choice but to dig up dirt and take deceptive positions on issues such as the quran, sunnah, etc.

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I must say Fraudia has made very good arguments here and no one seems to try to understand what he is saying and if they do they are much obliged to ignore because he is quite right in many things he has stated.

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What a ridiculous reply. Even the verses abrogated by the later verses in the Quran are still there, if they were not then how would we know which verses were abrogated.