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you're right, Mush is not worse than the taleban, or the police under other repressive regimes
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When close to 50% of the superior judges have now accepted Emergency rule by swearing an oath on the PCO, major political parties are either supportive or in collusion, world reaction has been largely muted, why should people be expected to believe that Emergency is something bad.
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The middle class in Pakistan has historically NEVER been politically mobilized. They are too busy running their households. The lower class is what the political parties capitalize on. Or then you have the niche communities like lawyers, students etc. who are part of some protests. The need of te hour is political mobilization. The sacked justices along with non-aligned leaders like Imran Khan need to get the masses together.
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you're right, Mush is not worse than the taleban, or the police under other repressive regimes
Good, you can except reality. Someone line Mush is the best type of leader Pakistan can get, it's sad, but it's also true.
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Good, you can except reality. Someone line Mush is the best type of leader Pakistan can get, it's sad, but it's also true.
times change, people change. i dont believe taleban is the best form of govt for Pakistan, nor is any comparable govt (Musharraf as you say) the best we can do.
we might not be able to help it, we're impotent whether or not we dance along with the general or sit seething in our couches.
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I also hope we could do better...maybe we can
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How can people come on streets when police is raiding houses and putting all the leaders in jail, TV stations are off the air, majority of the judges are under house arrest. This truly represents a popular leader doing popular things.
Re: Why Pakistani people have not taken to the streets?
How can people come on streets when police is raiding houses and putting all the leaders in jail, TV stations are off the air, majority of the judges are under house arrest. This truly represents a popular leader doing popular things.
People have come out under much worse conditions in Pakistan and elsewhere.
Re: Why Pakistani people have not taken to the streets?
People have come out under much worse conditions in Pakistan and elsewhere.
Don't be too happy, these are early days, If the dictator was that confident about his "popularity" he wouldn't have been hunting all and sundry and putting them in jails. Truly the actions of frightened, isolated and a highly unpopular dictator.
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Just look at the reaction of the pathetic reaction of our so-called opposition partes. The crowd pulling parties especially are not really opposing the govt, aprt from the usual public statements to please their workers.
Benazir Bhutto and her PPP are clearly in collusion with the govt's Emergency declaration, hence the reason they have remained largely exempt from any arrests. Maulana Fazlur Rehman is hedging his bets and playing his ususal two faced tactics. The rest of the opposition are a broken lot of tonga parties anyway.
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people when decide to come out, they will, I dont think police or government can stop a reall massive protests at all.
so blaming this oh cause of police, etc etc is just baseless. mass movement always defies these things, the key is if any leader has this kind of support or pull people out of their houses??? NO
we have too many leaders, but lack the real one who can create orange revolution" as warned by BB in case of emergency" but nothing happened.
lets see if the last successfull protesters "The lawyers" come out again and i think they should on moral grounds.
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Don't be too happy, these are early days, If the dictator was that confident about his "popularity" he wouldn't have been hunting all and sundry and putting them in jails. Truly the actions of frightened, isolated and a highly unpopular dictator.
500 select idiots in jail does not equal "hunting all and sundry and putting them in jails". Pakistan has 160mil population.
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http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=78934
**Life in city normal after emergency **
Karachi
Despite emergency imposed in the country, life in Karachi after a day had passed was normal. Activities at shopping centres and hotels, was the same like every other day. During a survey conducted by The News most of the common citizens expressed their complete ignorance of emergency and said all such actions did not make any difference. Aslam Siddiqi said he was a salaried class person and expressed his complete no confidence on all political parties in his vociferous tone they were all making us fools. What I need he said was to get my salary and the first measure this emergency government should take was to curb the price hike of essential goods. This was the most important issue.
Another lady Shaista Khan while shopping at a bazaar in Gulshan-e-Iqbal said, she did not care about emergency, the politicians of this country were not sincere to the country and they all should announce retirement and give a chance to the youngsters. They would for sure not be corrupt, she added. She also said that due to price hike my monthly budget was shattered every month. I do not see anything new due to emergency. A shopkeeper Naimatullah said I am least bothered about emergency. What was needed at the moment was the political leaders should get united to raise their voice against emergency. He lamented that now all calls would be turned on deaf ears.
An auto rickshaw driver Rahmat Rana reading a local newspaper when asked to give his comments over emergency he said Yar apana kia haay, let anything happen, anything printed in the newspapers appear to be a bundle of lies. I have been living in Karachi for the last 20 years but have never seen any such situation which would deliver fruits to the poor. This is the first day of emergency one Khalid Khilji doing shopping with his family said we did not care about emergency. Just please ask these new rulers of the country to rectify the police of Karachi then everything would be fine. They were the cruel people doing a lot of humiliation daily to the poor people. He said if this emergency corrected them let this emergency be forever. During a survey made at hotels like Lal Qila, Karachi Haleem and other Nihari hotels, the managers at these hotels said the sale on Saturday was little higher than normal days and their customers never showed any sign that emergency was imposed in the country.
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http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=78952
Emergency has little impact on Lahorites
LAHORE
THE president’s announcement of emergency in the country seemed to have a little impact on the peace-loving Lahorites who spent the holiday calmly. The main roads and important resorts of Lahore witnessed unusual quiet with a little traffic plying on the roads and the public preferred to remain at their residences. Moreover, the administration also had not adopted any extraordinary security measures in the city as if they already knew the temperament of its masses.
The police personnel were only visible outside Lahore High Court, Governor House, Chief Minister House as well as the residences of the judges in GOR (I). A couple of demonstrations were registered in the city including one at the office of Human Rights Commission of Pakistan and the other was outside Lahore Press Club where a handful journalists gave vent to their feelings against the emergency and new press laws. Though the issue of emergency was talk of the town and the people in their privacy condemned the presidential action yet nobody was prepared to come to the roads in protest. Majority of the people were interested as to how the lawyer community would react to this humiliating treatment of the government towards judiciary but no one was prepared to actively support the lawyer’s cause. Nevertheless, the masses were seen thronging Gawalmandi Food Street in groups late Sunday night and discussing the issue of emergency. Majority of the people gathered at Food Street were found strongly condemning the Presidential act and termed the step a conspiracy against the solidarity of the country. They also appreciated those judges who withstood against the President and denied to take oath under the PCO. However, when asked whether they would come on the roads, majority of the people did not give clear response.
There were some who were of the opinion that they were traders and were facing severe financial crunch due to prevailing political crisis. They stated that they could not afford pulling the shutters of their shops down for a couple of days. Likewise, the students from different colleges were also gloomy over the prevailing scenario in the country but they were not willing to support the lawyers on roads.
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may be or maybe they are so worried about the bread that they do not have time to come out.
JFC Fuller writes in conduct of war that the biggest threat to a nation is not the mass movement but refusal of massess to participate in the political process.
You know what? Nangi bhooki quam comes out on road faster than quam whose belly is full. If quam wants to come out they would and it would be mostly under privileged low income people that would come out, not people living in defense or people classified amongst financially upper middle or upper class.
I think that people are not coming out because are satisfied with their life and feel they are having better life then they ever expected. One can see that too, as consumption per head of every thing, from food to durable goods, in Pakistan has increased substantially during last 8 years. Obviously when average consumption has gone up, it means people are consuming more and thus they are better off in life.
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Aalsi this is the most encouraging thing the supporters of Musharaf like you argue that no matter how Musharaf breaks the law and do anti Pakistan actions people do not come to streets....Musharaf and supporters are happy over this....they were very happy when NS reached Islamabad and nobody could come to the airport and now they are very happy that the General has broken world record of imposing Martial law twice in one life time and proof you are giving for his support in public is they are not coming to the street to protest....
** Well don't forget people did not come to street when they hanged Bhutto....doesn't mean Zia ul Haq was very popular and his action was popular action**....General is the most unpopular leader in the country and in next two weeks is about to become the most condemned leader in the world...far worse than Saddam Hussain.... and you will see that....in next two weeks....just wait Aalsi....wait till Newsweek, Times, Washington post, New York Times write their articles on his actions...
At the time Zia hanged Bhutto, Zia was very popular, and Bhutto was very unpopular. Zia lost his popularity with time and while Zia was loosing his popularity, Bhutto popularity was increasing, though even today there are many supporters of Zia in Pakistan that no one can deny.
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people correlating “poll results” with “no-street demos”
Polls showed “common/street” people responses, “street demonstrations” are ignited/started by political parties. MQM and PPP are in bed with Musharraf already, regardless of what Mushy does to Pakistan as long as he promises something to these two greedy parties they will be “yes sir”. So there goes out big chunk of “demonstrations”… just before this emergency, PML-N was in talks with another lota party PML-Q, so there goes yet another chunk of possible people coming out on streets. Fazlu diesel is a lota as well, so forget his contribution in streets… who else?
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I think people don't have the motivators within them anymore. Most of the ppl think 'what different are we going to make, govt. will do what it wants'. The reason they feel like that is, because of the low esteem instilled in them by arrogant leaders that dont care for public polls and overall perception.
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Frankly, i think it will be wise on part of people not to come out on streets. The power hungry people in Islamabad can do anything. Another bomb in a rally and blame it on suicide bomber. They better sit him and save themselves for their families.
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Pkistan dian maujan hi maunja
charon passe foujan hi foujan....
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