whether they be in Baluchistan or NWFP or be they Pashtuns who want to break the country? Pakistan was created in 1947, if the local population had problem with that they should have caused an uproar right then. It was not as if they were independent states and in 1947 they were forcefully included into Pakistan. People who do not want to develop themselves (i.e. Baluchis sardars) should not blame government for not granting them “rights” to money, those people are surely the usurpers with wrong intention.
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Many did cause an uproar. But it's not like they had much power to change the situation. But all that is simply an afterthought. What the real problem is how the smaller provinces and even the masses in Punjab have been treated with total disregard of their rights.
I don't think I need to go through the history of Pakistan to prove my point. We all know what the ISI is doing today. We all know of 1971, Taliban, Afghanistan, madrassahs, gas & electricty royalties, water stealing etc. The facts are available to all those who are not blinded by their love of army over Pakistan.
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1-Balochistan few sardar have kept their people from education.
Govt. have been neglecting balochistan up till now.
2-NWFP their is no problem its just pathan thing.
Some time they love to talk about them being special. Base on few right things and few not so right thing.
Mostly is pathan girls they love to talk about how good/good looking pathans are.
3-Most of the people in pakistan are not likely to sit calm if they are opperesed for example kashmiris againest india.
Jsut few thoughts.
Please people don’t get too mad.
:desimunda:
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Yeah we all know that in 1971, Sh. Mujib was a big time leader of Pakistan (may be arrested but that's how other leaders were too).
We all know Sh. Mujib was supposed to be a PM of Pakistan.
We all know that after getting BDesh, Mujib becamse PM (Pouch of minced meat).
We all know that Bangalis made not only Mujib a PM (A pouch of meat),
We all know that Bangalis made Mujib's children PM too.
We all know that Bangalis made Mujib's grandkids PM too.
We all know Mujib's women becamse PM too.
We all know some anti-Pakistan elements on this board will never learn what Bangalis did to their great leader Sh. Mujib. They made minced meat of him and then built a tomb, and then he bacame the Baddhu of BDesh (Bangla Baddhu).
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It doesn't matter what Bengalis did to him. What matters is what West Pakistan did to him and why that resulted in the loss of half our country.
By your logic you would be happy if Balochistan becomes independent and Bugti becomes its PM only to be killed by his own (a very real possibility). That would make you happy right? After all who cares about Pakistan as long as others suffer too?
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West Pakistan made Mujib a respected (sometimes arrested) national leader.
Mujib dumped $hite in the same plate where he had been eating.
Mujib put a hole in the same boat that kept him afloat.
Mujib never learned to be faithful and loyal to his land.
That is why,
Bangalis made a $hitey Pile of minced Meat (PM) out of him.
Funny you still moan and groan on West Pakistan while ignoring what Mujib did to his homeland.
If Balochis or my fellow Urdu People (UP) follow Mujib, they will end up like him too.
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By your logic you would be happy if Balochistan becomes independent and Bugti becomes its PM only to be killed by his own (a very real possibility). That would make you happy right? After all who cares about Pakistan as long as others suffer too?
West Pakistan wasn't smart enough to handle the situation in 1971.
India had a huge influence on bangal.
Their was no trained Bengali bureaucracy in 1960s
Punjabis we on main posts in bengal.
It was plan well executed by india.
Bangalis didn't have backbone/brain to stand against/understand the situation.
Indra gandi said "we took revenge of our 1000 old history"
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The standard definition of anti state or treaonous activity involves two things:
- Violating or suspending the constitution
- Acting on the behest of foreign powers.
So which leader do we know nowadays who have violated the constitution and worse still take orders from a foreign power? 
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Mujib won the election. He was denied his rightful place as PM. Bengalis already felt neglected and the rest is history. Everything else is hyperbole. You all will have enough time to come up with excuses if Pakistan breaks up. Focus on the solution right now so that it doesn't come to that.
Learn from history, lest it's repeated.
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Hmmmmmm
I don’t know.
none in pakistan
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hah! This comes from the supporters of tribals carrying AK-47, exploding mines, attacking and killing law-enforcement agents, destroying infrastructure, killing members of wedding parties. and you name it.
Sympathizers of anarchy and death will go to any length supporting their leftie comrades.
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And that is why the same Bengalis turned Sh. Mujib into a Pile of minced Meat (PM). Wow! Feeling of neglect was so strong that they made every man, woman, and child into PM as well.
So the supporters of anarchy and tribalism! learn from history! Will ya?
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Ouch I hit a nerve didn’t I anti? Surely you don’t support foreign powers controlling Pakistan or those who subvert the constitution? I mean that would make you an anti Pakistani traitor?
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Freedom of speech should be protected at all costs. Even if this speech is nothing but canine barks, i.e. woof, woof, woof.
But there must not be any freedom for secessionists to play their nasty games. Don't forget that Pakistan is an 'artificial state' like the United States, Australia, Canada etc. We need to study American history and treat these secessionists like the US treated hers.
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Kabulis throwing stone from their little glass cave. So what's new in the land of tribals, and their Mayor (oops King) of Kabul.
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^ i've no idea what you are going on anti..i stated an internationally accepted definition of anti state and yet it offends you, why is that?
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We all know Sh. Mujib was supposed to be a PM of Pakistan.
We all know that after getting BDesh, Mujib becamse PM (Pouch of minced meat).
We all know that Bangalis made not only Mujib a PM (A pouch of meat), We all know that Bangalis made Mujib's children PM too. We all know that Bangalis made Mujib's grandkids PM too. We all know Mujib's women becamse PM too.
We all know some anti-Pakistan elements on this board will never learn what Bangalis did to their great leader Sh. Mujib. They made minced meat of him and then built a tomb, and then he bacame the Baddhu of BDesh (Bangla Baddhu).
Don't get all emotional about Mujib, we all know what Bhutto did to Pakistan and what was his result, its not much different than Mujib. Lets stick to the topic for a change.
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I hate fifth columnists.
(comment not directed at anyone who posted in the thread)
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Discussion of Sh. Mujib and Bengalis is very much part of this thread "Why Pakistan should accept anti-Pakistan elements". Even an elementary reader of Pak history would know. Another poster brought Bengalis in this thread and he was right. We all should discuss Bengalis to the umpteenth details. Otherwise this thread will be incomplete.
Here is why your comparison with Bhutto is not correct.
Sh. Mujib - founder of BDesh
Bhutto - one of the many leaders of Pakistan
Sh. Mujib - butchered by Bengalis for no apparent reason
Bhutto - Charged for murder of poltical opponent's father and hanged.
Sh. Mujib - the whole family wiped out kids, men, women. All.,
Bhutto - family survived.
Your comparison with Bhutoo is incorrect.
Sh. Mujib for BDesh was on the level of Jinnah of Pakistan, Ghandi of Bharat, Thomas Jefferson of USA, and the list goes on.
Bengalis made Sh. Mujib a PM (Pile of minced Meat) precisely because of Sh. Mujib's lies about Punjabis, Biharis, and Pashtoons. Sh. Mujib lied about smelling jute in Islamabad's roads.
Mujib was made PM long time ago, and the roads in Islamabad have expanded way beyond the city limits. Where is the stink of jute now?