to be very frank if thats the logic then you guys have to fear the most, because ISI and our MI is much into india that RAW would take another 50 yrs to equal that.
a pampered child of the west to counter china..
I am glad you admit that ISI & Pak MI is much more into India than RAW is into Pakistan. Now stop crying about India/RAW trying to detabilize Pak through Afghanistan.
As I said before India is quite capable of handling whatever Pak/ISI throws at us. Khalistan issue is a good case in point. Kashmir is also pretty quiet now and hopefully will return to normalcy in a few years.
You better watch out for Pakistan though...don't know where it will be in a few years.
I am glad you admit that ISI & Pak MI is much more into India than RAW is into Pakistan. Now stop crying about India/RAW trying to detabilize Pak through Afghanistan.
As I said before India is quite capable of handling whatever Pak/ISI throws at us. Khalistan issue is a good case in point. Kashmir is also pretty quiet now and hopefully will return to normalcy in a few years.
You better watch out for Pakistan though...don't know where it will be in a few years.
The fact that you think it was India who managed to control Punjab shows how much you know about the issue my friend. It was Benazir Bhutto who shared that info with Rajiv as a gesture of goodwill. As far Kashmir again Musharaf allowed things to cool down there to give peace a chance and let me update you that things are far from normal in Kashmir just look at last few months and you will know what I mean. Interestingly, this time ISI may not even need to do anything.
RAW played a vital role in "creation" of Bangladesh.... in 9 months !!!! ....... this is proof that they are not operating in Baluchistan, cause if they were, then you would have seen "creation" of a "khushal " and "independent" Baluchistan !!!!
ISI and MI can only create trouble and kill innocent people .....
Ya just like the very Khushal Bangladesh you are very friendly with , right
The fact that you think it was India who managed to control Punjab shows how much you know about the issue my friend. It was Benazir Bhutto who shared that info with Rajiv as a gesture of goodwill. As far Kashmir again Musharaf allowed things to cool down there to give peace a chance and let me update you that things are far from normal in Kashmir just look at last few months and you will know what I mean. Interestingly, this time ISI may not even need to do anything.
Punjab was not controlled as a result of any information sharing by Pakistan. It was controlled by teaching a lesson to the terrorists in a language they understood.
Kashmiris have shown that they value education, employment & development above all other things. Its also been proven that the separatist movement was Pak sponsored, since things have quietened down after Pak came under pressure post 26/11 and stopped supporting terrorism in Kashmir. I see no reason why that would not continue.
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^ I am not sure that India is involved in destabilizing Balochistan, for the simple reason that India gains nothing (as you say). However, it is possible that this could be a strategy to get Pak so involved in its internal matters that it stops supporting terrorism in Kashmir and elsewhere in India.
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^^ yeah but Pak is so weak internally....it could face an internal collapse....and that would be very bad for India with a failed state on its border......
RAW played a vital role in "creation" of Bangladesh.... in 9 months !!!! ....... this is proof that they are not operating in Baluchistan, cause if they were, then you would have seen "creation" of a "khushal " and "independent" Baluchistan !!!!
ISI and MI can only create trouble and kill innocent people .....
this is funny sad indeed.
you tell them Pakistani army atrocity is what caused separation of Bangladesh and they all come and accuse India breaking them apart.
you tell them ok baba, Raw did that and so if Raw really wanted to do the same in Baloochistan they'd have done it by now....now they all come back and say 'no way buddy....Raw did not do Bangladesh....it was Pakistan own people"...!
^^ yeah but Pak is so weak internally....it could face an internal collapse....and that would be very bad for India with a failed state on its border......
As I said earlier, India will not benefit from a failed Pakistan. But India also does not benefit from violence in Kashmir and other parts of the country orchetrated by elements from within Pak and supported by elements from Pak state.
So the Indian govt needs to do whatever it can to safeguard its interests. If at all they are supporting anything from Afghanistan, that could be the rationale.
This article talks about Pakistan's concerns about India using its presence in Afghanistan to create instability in Balochistan, FATA etc in retaliation for what Pak has done/is doing in Punjab/Kashmir.
Its a valid fear, however Pak should have thought about it when messing around in Kashmir/Punjab. Did they really think India would remain quiet and do nothing ? You've got to reap what you have sown :)
what a load of bs...
Kashmir and Balochistan are two seperate things.
Balochistan is a recognized part of PAKISTAN... KASHMIR is an occupied territory which India has absolutely no moral authority over except in the minds of delusional Indians such as yourself. :)
As I said earlier, India will not benefit from a failed Pakistan. But India also does not benefit from violence in Kashmir and other parts of the country orchetrated by elements from within Pak and supported by elements from Pak state.
So the Indian govt needs to do whatever it can to safeguard its interests. If at all they are supporting anything from Afghanistan, that could be the rationale.
The violence in Kashmir is of Indias own making... Maybe you should have considered your countries own incompetance before occupying foreign territory..
^ Or you could go back and say that Pakistan reaped the reward for breaking India in 1947 through the creation of Bangladesh in 1971 :) We can keep going back in history - its a never ending cycle.
Bangladesh was done & over with in 1971 and Pak should have stayed out of Kashmir and Punjab. You mess with a bigger and more powerful country, there is a good chance that you will come out the loser in the end. Its elementary my friend :)
Wow.. For pseudo Punjabi, you certainly dont know your own history!
Punjab became a headache for India, because India made it that way. Had nothing to do with Pakistan.
Kashmir is problem India made for itself, first by invading it, then turning into a virtual hell hole for its inhabitant.
Your should be ashamed of yourselves. But what to expect of people like you.
You honestly deserve thousand Mumbai attacks:)
Funny thing is, here you Indians are openly exposed for you underhanded dealings, and your still touting the expertise of your "Intelligence". :)
^ Or you could go back and say that Pakistan reaped the reward for breaking India in 1947 through the creation of Bangladesh in 1971 :) We can keep going back in history - its a never ending cycle.
Bangladesh was done & over with in 1971 and Pak should have stayed out of Kashmir and Punjab. You mess with a bigger and more powerful country, there is a good chance that you will come out the loser in the end. Its elementary my friend :)
Well...unstable pakistan wont be any good for india either...
from what i can gather is that the pakistani intelligence agencies/army are not going full throttle after the taliban due to the threat from india/usa...india is using afghanistan against pakistan...therefore pakistan will try to keep afghanistan unstable so that indians cannot use it for their nefarious designs...
Well...unstable pakistan wont be any good for india either...
from what i can gather is that the pakistani intelligence agencies/army are not going full throttle after the taliban due to the threat from india/usa...india is using afghanistan against pakistan...therefore pakistan will try to keep afghanistan unstable so that indians cannot use it for their nefarious designs...
i disagree for keeping afghanistan unstable, but surely pakistan desperately wants friendly govt in kabul and a stable one.
you see its not 60s and 70s if afghanistan has a stable govt and even if it is on good terms with india wont be of much threat to pakistan as stable govt wont interfere or allow interference because india wants it...
furthermore afghanistan is dependent on pakistan doesnt matter how many roads they build connecting them to bandar abbas iran they would still be dependant on us for basic necessities.
furthermore balouchistan is unique case it is not intended to bleed pakistan because given the population it cant have insurgency of that scale remember whol balochistan population is less than karachis population.
Issue here is Gwader port and muharraf plan to hand it over to china, india sees it double threat because of china and pakistans reach to central asia and america see it a threat because of china.
i have heard there has been a underhand understanding reached with US and china not sure what but it wont be used by china for military means or US would be given access to it as well.
although threat is immediate in balochistan but i dont see it becming a major threat because if you remember it is confined to few districts khuzdar, panjgur , kohlu, sui and major action of these indian puppets are blowing up power line, rail line, etc.
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the situation on our western borders is tense and the major contributors in that are india/us...things have started to come out now...reports of pakistan becoming a failed state had started coming long before 911...what ever is happening in pakistan...is well thought out and orchestrated...a stable pakistan has become so unstable that many people wont be shocked if pakistan siezes to exist in a few years time...god forbid...
plans are one thing...but their execution is another...americans have already failed in iraq and afghanistan...what if their strategy fails in pakistan as well??? what is the contigency plan!!! what ever is happening in pakistan; the biggest loser in the end will be india...
indians were jubiliant over attack on srilankans in pakistan...but a few weeks later they themselves couldnt hold IPL on their territory...if indians are themselves against taliban; then they should stop funding/training them and baloch rebels...otherwise the ultimate pay back time will come to the indians pretty soon...
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so if indians are funding taliban, why is pakistani government, army and isi bending over backwards to sign surrender documents with the same indian funded taliban?
I did ;) ... the position still the same. First an Afghan minister said and now this... cat is coming out.
In the same thread it was acknowledged that it was not an Afghan "minister" but some low ranking un-named official. I am sure you can appreciate the distinction ;)
Balochistan is a recognized part of PAKISTAN... KASHMIR is an occupied territory which India has absolutely no moral authority over except in the minds of delusional Indians such as yourself. :)
BS or not, thats what the article alludes to...
As for Kashmir, you can think/say what you want. Its not going to change the fact that Kashmir is a part of India. You better worry about Punjab & Sindh in addition to Balochistan :p