Why muslims should vote for Bush

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Look you guys are confusing the administration with the workings of the government. They are completely independent. The patriot act was developed by the government not the administration. The laws were developed by the govt. Any action taken is taken by higher ups based on opinions views and information provided by the government.

The administrations defines policy. The government defines the implementation, feasibility and actual impact of the policy. Its like the CE declaring war on India, but it is the armed forces and the soliders who actually implement it.

You can blame the government for all the problems. However they are implementing policy as well. So both are to blame. The thing is however that none of the policy initiatives taken can be reversed. They will stay implemented for years to come. You cant reverse the patriot act. Nobody will vote for that and the patriot act is responsible for the discrimination.

Civil rights will not change under the democrats. They will remain the same and will become worse under Bush or Kerry. What i am worried about is that Kerry is smart and thus can easily hoodwink the rest of the world, also a smart version of Bush would never be good.

Stu i didnt know you cared. The major reason for the vote for Bush is FP and Pakistan. That is all.

PeKHaWaRaiReBeL once your country gets some running water in taps, then we will talk. Btw you lot were kafirs when most of the sub-continent had become muslims.

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Bhai jaan there is no doubt in my mind that the Clinton administration did it wrong to introduce the ‘Secret Evidence’ law & they are to blame for it. This is not to say the Republicans are off the hook, as in 94 they took control of the senate after 40 years, not to mention the judiciary committee (I think). Though, if I have to bet my money on who might be the best approachable among the two parties to retract such provisions from the law, than the answer is the Dems.

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"If there’s an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties."

What about the concept of protection to said Arab family based on the fact they are muslims, whether they are your neighbours or live on the other side of the globe. Do you think it is just fashionable to think about your muslim brethren? Or an obligation put on your neck by Allah, for which you wil be judged.

You people want to talk about Dems civil liberties policies and almost everything that Reps propagate. Yes Bush will win another four year term and beyond that, you only have to look at the Bush mouthpeice coverages his admins get around the country top profilers to blatant thought defilers on cable- but the one thing these 'channnels' have in common is that they portray muslims and our religion as the biggest threat to peace and freedom because of the actions of a people who want to see muslims living under the same banner.

Freedom what a misconception...

Brothers and sisters living in the USA and worldwide, what you need to do is get out of thinking inside the blanket walled box you are in right now and think.

Why are there so many puppet regimes in muslim lands bowing to the west?

Why do generic joes in US of A hate muslims and Islam?

Why cant we understand that hawkish/dovish policy makers and breakers are seminally creating a USA that

breeds hatred for muslims and Islam however sugar coated the column, story, book or presenter maybe.

Just look at Iraq, Afghanistan and so on your muslim brothers and sisters and children are dying, being raped, tortured subdjugated with constancy and the aegis of liberating not the countries but the minds of muslims into taking on values which disagree with our nature not only as muslims but fundamentally as limited humans who need guidance- Remember Al-Quran Kareem- Allah(swt)- Sunnah of the Prophet(saw).

Ask your self these questions...

Why am I a muslim?

What does it mean to be a muslim?

And do I really think that voting, in Kufr politics which is haram , for Bush or Kerry will stop the suffering and repression of the ummah outside of USA while doging bullets and bombs dropped in the name of FREEDOM

I think those 36 million people living in poverty in the US might have something to say about that.

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Muslims are a threat to our way of life

Interesting read…Muslims are a threat to our way of life

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:rotfl: You base your opinion on what the New York Times writes? :rotfl: That´s a good one. :rotfl:

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Poll shows Muslims will shun Bush

Muslim voters favor democratic presumptive presidential candidate John Kerry or unaffiliated candidate Ralph Nader, according to a survey recently released by an Islamic civil rights and advocacy group.

That preference comes as a reaction to the Bush administration’s policies, pollsters and Muslim organizations say.

**The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations reported 54 percent of eligible Muslim voters said they would vote for Kerry, while 26 percent favored Nader.

Fourteen percent of the 1,161 Muslim voters polled in 43 states said they were still undecided. In the survey conducted by CAIR, only 2 percent said they would re-elect President Bush.**

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:hehe:

that is enough to end this discussion here

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Well, this is what I had said in the beginning of this discussion. We can talk all day long about why Bush is better for muslims and all that… but at the end of the day, the muslim voters are not likely to vote for Bush again. There is just too much mistrust and anger directed at Bush’s policies that no amount of agreeing to his conservative values (social issues) are likely to overcome.

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Oh wow, I am in the 26%!!!

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Its saddening that there is so much dillema amongst Muslims regarding this issue.

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Kerry campaign hasnt done much to reach out to the Muslim voters. He prolly figures they have no choice than be anti-Bush if not pro-Kerry and polls obviously reflect how Muslims (including Pakistanis) feel about Bush admin's broader policies in Mid East , War on Terror and Civil liberties. Kerry could benefit from key Muslim votes in swing states like Ohio, Penn, Florida though support for Nader is prolly going to hurt Kerry more than Bush :p
Muslims (including Pakistanis like me) feel that change of administration would also get rid of neo-cons like Cheney, Ashcroft , Rumsfelf and his deputies in Pentagon.
And as far as support for Isreal is concerned, there will be no change in admin's favorable policy towards it whether you have Dubya in oval office or Kerry :p

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*Originally posted by 5Abi: *
Kerry campaign hasnt done much to reach out to the Muslim voters. He prolly figures they have no choice than be anti-Bush if not pro-Kerry and polls obviously reflect how Muslims (including Pakistanis) feel about Bush admin's broader policies in Mid East , War on Terror and Civil liberties. Kerry could benefit from key Muslim votes in swing states like Ohio, Penn, Florida though support for Nader is prolly going to hurt Kerry more than Bush
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One article I read in a Pakistani newspaper (Pakistan Link or something) did suggest that Kerry has reached out to muslim organizations for their support... but leaving it at that, we must realize that Kerry's hands are tied. He is attacked on all sides by being soft on security. Poll after poll is rubbushing him on this issue and Bush is leading 61:30 over Kerry on issue of terrorism and security. For American people, the face of terrorism is OBL and Zarqawi and Chechen fighters (in the recent school gym massacre), and they are all muslims. Hence if a candidate is fighting to project an image that he is NOT soft on terrorism, he'd naturally distance himself from all muslims, even while he realizes that the small muslim vote in key swing states may just be the push he needs to get over Bush. So he is playing it as if the muslim votes are foregranted, which they probably are, anyway.

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I believe it's time for me to write a comprehensive post on why Muslims should vote for Nader (Maybe over the weekend).

To be very short, let me point out that supporting a third party is one of the best ways to forward a cause in US politics (other than having hefty lobbies that require a lot of cash) . And the time & policies of Nader are just right to stand out as a community and as a voter block! Muslims will be soo unfortunate to let go this chance.

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Nader is more liberal than Kerry, what does he offer Muslims?

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Voting for Nader will hurt Kerry and benefit Bush. Do muslims really want to do that? Muslims are not concerned about the cause of politics in US. Majortiy of the people don't think that deep about politics. They just want to get rid of Bush.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Nader is more liberal than Kerry, what does he offer Muslims?
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Even if he offers something to Muslims, whats the purpose of voting for him when we all know that he can't win? Its like throwing away your vote for no reason.

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Semi, do you consider the term 'liberal Muslim' an oxymoron? :-O

Nader is the only candidate (apart from that other liberal from Vermont) who in a Presidential debate have the courage to point out that our policies towards the Israel are one sided & need reconsideration as it is an important issue for American Image abroad & for homeland security. (Part of me believes that is what brought Dean down)

In "The Muslim Vote -- Election 2004" in DC Nader had the following to say: "The days when the chief Israeli puppeteer comes to the United States and meets with the puppet in the White House and then proceeds to Capitol Hill, where he meets with hundreds of other puppets, should be replaced. The Washington Puppet Show should be replaced."

Many criticized him to call American Politicians and presidents a puppet of Israel (which BTW a huge majority of Muslims & others believe around the world) but he later clarified that he meant this particular administration and Sharon admin in particular.

Don’t get me wrong, Muslims in the US have many other priorities, but foreign policy & especially the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are at the heart of their concerns. This doesn’t mean they will support anyone who will take a 'liberal' stance on US-Israel relationship but at least they will think about that candidate seriously.

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AJ: is this the same Nader you are talking bout that failed to muster enough signatures to get on ballot for Nov. 2 in California? We all know that he will never make it to Oval Office.

The question of the day for us should be who is the lesser of the two evils, Kerry or Bush.
Anyway, i would like to know you side of why Muslims or Pakistanis should support Nader and not Kerry.

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Dear Peoples,

It's the Bush administration that are game to attack muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's the Bush administration that presents Muslims as Islamic Terrorists.

If you think he is your friend. By all means..Vote Bush.

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Nader is the best candidate out there, but the problem is Muslims voting for him, is increasing the likleness of Bush getting reelected. That’s why we gotta choose lesser of 2 evils; I’m not happy about it either, but this is what this country has come down to.

And I see no logic in u people who say “vote Bush, even though he will hurt Muslims, the Middle-East, and most Muslim countries, at least he won’t hurt Pakistan” I love Pakistan 2, but I think this is completely ridiculos. Bush isn’t against Pakistan; the reason is because Pakistan is allowing US troops and complying to their small needs, like being against terrorism, even if Kerry gets elected Pakistan can do the same thing and still be safe. But I think Pakistan is befriending US too much.

Bush has some big plans for his next term if reelected like also going for Iran because of their oh soo big threat against the world’s security :rolleyes: ; If Bush gets reelected Allah knows how the Middle-East will end up being like after his additional 4 years, because I surely can’t imagine.