why muslims eat meat?

several Hindu brothers (guppies) are raising this question in other threads. i have highlighted several factors, but i would recommend them to watch this video and i am sure they will get a satisfying reasonings. :slight_smile:

A Question Posed Agressively By a Hindu Brother

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Though i don't believe in many things which zakir naik says, one thing i would like to appreciate here is - he was open to criticism and gave freedom to speak. and as far as beef eating in vedas goes, there are some verses in vedas which bar beef eating. so cannot be conclusive about anything, whether pro-beef eating or not. And i don't know why it was so particular of beef when it should have barred every non-veg stuff actually. And ahimsa was not incorporated from other faiths like jainism or buddhism. If that was the case, then even atheism should have made its way into "hindu" scriptures. I guess it is opposite!!...teachers of buddha were "brahmins" and Though at a later stage, some brahmins didn't like the popularity of buddhism or jainism.

P.S: what is hinduism?..this itself will be a big topic.

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Because it tastes so good. Specially beef.

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its not just muslims, everyone eats meat....
the question hindus shud be asking (to their own pundits) is "why r we not being allowed to eat meat"....

actually many hindus (now that they have actually tasted meat) r leaving their vegetarian habits....

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^ this is very untrue. Only brahmins dont eat meat. Brahmins are a minority. Others eat meat. Beef though is not eaten in most part of India. Pork is not eaten because nobody butchers them.

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Hindus DO eat meat. as vineshvk said, only Brahmins dont eat meat, but there are certain Brahmins of some communities, like Bengali Brahmins,who eat fish.younger Bong Brahmins eat Mutton/Chicken and Eggs too. traditionally, Hindus are not allowed to eat beef, but many now-a-days many do eat beef too. and pork is eaten by in India too, though pork too is not considered to be a 'higher' meat in Hinduism too. and i dont know if all Nepali Hindus do that, but all my Nepali Hindu friend and their family eat both beef and pork.

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Wrong! Many Brahmins that are descendants of Kashmiri pandits(brahmins) do eat nonveg as well as Bengali Brahmins of India. It's more healthy to be a vegetarian but there are many brahmins that are fully into eating fish, chicken, even mutton and in some cases beef and pork.

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So hindus do eat meet.

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Eat and you shalth survive.

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hindus eat everything that walk , flies or swims....
that includes beef and pork ....
a lot of hindus choose to be veggie for good reasons...
meat is not a muslim thing.. just like veggie is not a hindu thing

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Dr Zakir Naik said :

Let us analyze the various reasons, why a person chooses a food habit. It can be Religious, it can be Geographical location, it can be a personal choice, smell, taste, colour’.

Due to humane or ethical consideration, due to anatomical and physiological consideration, due to behavioral consideration, it can be due to ecological and economical consideration, it can be due to nutritional value or due to health and scientific reasons… health and medical reasons.

Let us first analyze the Religious reasons - Mr. Trivedi said that… ‘Religion should not interfere with the human being… where it is concerned, what we should, and what we should not eat - That we should leave it up to the doctor’.

I agree with him that most of the Religions, that is in the case.

The Religious authority, the main foundation… that is Almighty God, if He is not a doctor, the God that you worship is not a doctor, then you should not follow him - He says… ‘Leave it to the doctor’. But in Islam, we believe… Allah (SWT), Almighty God, is our Creator - and the Creator of the human beings has far Superior knowledge, than all the doctors put together, in all the years. And you can find the statement, as Mr. Rashmibhai Zaveri said… ‘All from doctors’ - he is quoting from these books, which I think is available for sale outside… all these books. I will touch on some of these points, all out of which many are fictitious… fictitious, do not exist at all - Some are irrelevant, some are untested and some are truth… which are half-baked. I would like to make one point crystal clear, that while I prove undoubtedly, that Non-Veg. food should be permitted for the human beings,

I do not have the slightest intention to hurt the feelings of any Vegetarian.

And while I prove logically and scientifically that Non-Veg. food is permitted, and if someone feels hurt, his sentiments are hurt… I apologize in advance… I sincerely apologize. My intention is not to hurt anybody’s feelings, but I have to reply to the presentation, to the earlier speaker.

As far as Islam is concerned, it is not compulsory for a human being to have Non-Veg. - a Muslim can be a very good Muslim, even by being a pure Vegetarian. But… but when our Creator… Almighty God… Allah (SWT), gives us permission to have Non-Veg., why should we not have it? And I started my talk by giving a quotation from the Glorious Qur’an, from Surah Maidah, Ch. No. 5, Verse No. 1,

which says… (Arabic )…. ‘Fulfill all your obligations and lawful for you for food are. All four footed animals with the exceptions named’. Qur’an further says in Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16, V. No. 5… ‘that cattle has been created by God, for you - in it are various benefits…. - You derive warmth, and of their meat you can eat’. The same message is repeated in Surah Mominun, Ch. 23, V. No. 21… ‘that you can have the meat of the cattle’.

Let us analyze the geographical reasons and the surrounding environment… and as we know, it influences is the person’s food habit - like people living in the coastal region … the Kookiness, they have more fish - People living in South India, they have more Rice - People living in the desert, where there is scarcity of vegetation, and people mainly survive on the flesh of animals. The Eskimo in the Arctic region, where there is scarcity of edible vegetation, they survive more on sea food. And Mr. Zaveri said that…‘ he knows that vegetable is not available in certain parts of the world, but today, due to advancement of transportation, we can supply them with vegetables’.** I would request the Indian Vegetarian Congress to supply, at least give the transportation cost…** that is all… to supply to the Eskimos, to supply to Saudi Arabia. You get vegetables in Saudi Arabia, it is more expensive… Why? … because the cost of transportation - that makes if more expensive. It is illogical and unscientific to spend more money, to buy a food which is less nutritious.

Let us analyze the ‘Humane reason’, the ‘Ethical reasons’ - And the pure Vegetarians, they say that… ‘All life is sacred - and no living creature should be killed’. They fail to realize that today, it is a universal fact, that even plants have got life - So the main argument on killing living creature, does not hold good today. Previously may be… a couple of centuries ago, it may have held some weight, but today it carries no weight. Then they further argue today, and they say… ‘Yes we know that plants have got life, but they cannot feel pain… therefore killing a plant, is a lesser crime and lesser sin, as compared to killing an animal’. Today, science has further advanced, and we have come to know that even the plants can feel pain, they can even cry - But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human ear, because the audible frequency range of the human ear, is from 20 cycles per second, to 20,000 cycles per second - Anything below and above this, the human ear cannot hear.

But the cry of the animal can be heard by the human being - but the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being - Just because you cannot hear the cry of the plant, that does not justify you to inflict pain or kill the plant. There was an ideological Vegetarian, who had a discussion with me, and he told me that… ‘Brother Zakir, I know the plants have life, they feel pain… but you know plants… they have got about two senses less, as compared to the animals’. I said… ‘For the sake of argument I agree with you’. But then I asked him a simple question, that… ‘Suppose your brother is born deaf and dumb - cannot hear, cannot speak - two senses less - and when he grows up, and when someone comes and murders him - will you go and tell the Judge…‘ O my Lord give the murderer a less punishment, because my brother had two senses less’. In fact he will say… ‘Usne to Masoom ko mara hai’… ‘He has killed an innocent person - give him a bigger punishment’. And further if you analyze that in Islam, as far as living creatures are concerned - they are two types… broadly classified in two types - ‘Human beings who are living creatures’- and Non-human being living creatures. As far as killing the human beings are concerned, Qur’an says in Surah Maidah, Ch. No. 5, Verse No. 32 that… ‘If any person - if any one kills any human being, unless if be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land, it is as though he has killed the whole of humanity and if any saves an human being, it is as though he has saved the whole nation’. If any person kills any human being… Muslim or Non-Muslim, unless if it be for murder or for creating mischief, Qur’an says… ‘He has killed whole of humanity - if you save any human being, you have saved the whole of humanity’. As far as non-human being living creatures are concerned, no human being should harm them unnecessarily… should not kill them unnecessarily… for sports, or for fun, or for target practice - but if it is for you security and for your safety, you can stop them, you can even kill them - or if you want for lawful food, but not just for fun and frolic, or for hunting. Even if I agree that the plants are a lesser species, as compared to the human beings - if you take the life of one animal… an average animal, it can feed about hundred human beings.

For this same hundred human beings, you may have to kill more than hundred plants. So is it preferable to take the life of one living animal, or the life of 100 living plants?… Which is a bigger sin? …Is it a bigger sin to kill human beings who are handicapped, or kill one healthy human being… which is a bigger sin? - You decide for yourself. There is a Vegetarian Society by the name of ‘World Foundation on Reverence for all Life’… Most of the quotations which he gave, is from here and from these three books… most of them … all most all. The name of the foundation is ‘World Foundation as Reverence for all Life’- they forgot to mention… (except plant life) in bracket. And it says… ‘All creation is one family… All life is sacred’. What kind of an ideology is this, that you permit the killing of one family member, but do not permit the killing of the another family member? - It is illogical and unscientific. You know in America, there are Vegetarian societies who take students to slaughter houses, and they make them see the blood shed and convert them to Vegetarianism. It is like a doctor taking the young girls to observe and watch a difficult childbirth, and then say that… ‘Is the reason you should not marry, and you should not have children’. These are unethical forms of mind control - unethical…unethical. In fact we should teach our children that… ‘When vegetables can be grown for food, why cannot animals be raised for food?’ All life is sacred… I agree… Unnecessarily killing them is wrong - But for your requirement, lawful food is permitted.

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I was curious as to whether certain Hindus or Brahmins consider cow-hides to be unclean and if so why?

The context of this question comes from one of humorist Mushtaq Ahmad Yusufi's anectodes where he notes that "Muslims did trade in leather because:

1) It was the last vestige of the animals that they had already consumed and

2) This trade (or the hides themselves) was considered unclean by Hindus..." (Translated from memory so apologies for any errors)

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leather in general is considered unclean. it is not permitted in the temples at a lot of places. but at the same time they dont permit any kind of shoes, combs, belts, phones , pens etc.
but there is no ban on leather. shiva himself owns a tiger hide in the mythology.
mr mushtaq is talking about the stuff he has no clue about. according to him muslims in india mostly do leather business which is far from the reality.

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Thanks Kaka. Yusufi Sahib was talking about his childhood in the 1930s. Perhaps it was true back then?

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Thats not an answer, my co-workers says that to me "you are missing pork. its so juicy & rich taste ".

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@ meherealone
well, itz true, plants feel and cry too, but humans have to eat stuff to be alive. and when we have to kill and eat one or some living organism, why not opt for the healthier one??? vegetarism is more healthy than non-vegetariaism.it is scientificly proved.
and animals have family relations too. if you eat up the mother hen, the kiddo chicks are gonna miss her. but if you make a bamboo ka acchar from the bamboo tree from which other banboo trees grew, the newer ones are not gonna miss it.
and for the record, i am my-self a non-vegetarian.

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sorry science do not agree with you
both have pros and cons

only vegetarisam or only non vegetarism can lead to potential health risk

(quote by Dr william, Dr. William T. Jarves, he is the advisor to the ‘American Council of Science and Health’ ‘ACSH’, and he is also the ‘Professor of Public Health and Preventive Medicine’ in the Lomalinda University, and he is also the founder and the President of the ‘National Council Against Health Frauds’, and he is the co-editor of the book ‘The Health Robbers - a closer look at Ouakery in America’ )

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and animals have family relations too. if you eat up the mother hen, the kiddo chicks are gonna miss her. but if you make a bamboo ka acchar from the bamboo tree from which other banboo trees grew, the newer ones are not gonna miss it.

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who said that plants donot have relations , you are totally ignorant , bahi plant science ko study karo