Why Muslims do not Convert overtly!

Facing Persecution in Khartoum: Muslim Converts to Christianity Suffer in Sudan

by Geoff Stamp, Compass Direct


KHARTOUM, Sudan (Compass) – Every Friday, during the Muslim holy day, a special group of Christians meet in a house.

“Friday is the day for meeting people and gathering to talk or share entertainment,” said the group’s leader, “so our group does not attract attention.”

The reason for the group preferring not to attract attention is that it consists of Muslims who have become Christians. The group is one of a few in Khartoum and neighboring Omdurman that caters especially to people from other religious faiths.

“It is hard for a Muslim to become a Christian here,” said the group leader. “He or she will not be able to continue in their environment without their family noticing. That is when the trouble starts. They believe that someone born into Islam has no right to choose for themselves. Leaving Islam is like betraying your family and God and is blasphemy. All blasphemy in Islam is punishable by death,” he explained.

The house church leader gave the example of a man called Al-Faki who was a teacher in a government school. He had spent five years in further education in Saudi Arabia. It was on his return that he became interested in Christianity.

“When this man became a Christian, he tried to witness to his family, but then he suffered terribly,” said the church leader.** "He spent a year in prison where he was tortured by the security police. During his time in prison, he suffered a stroke and his right side was partially paralyzed. **

“Fortunately we were able to get him out of the country. …** He is just one of several cases who have been persecuted and tortured for becoming Christians.” **

Some years ago, when religious persecution was even worse, a Christian leader was arrested and taken to the headquarters of the security department.

“They wanted me to stop my work of evangelizing and distributing Scriptures,” he explained. “They took me around the place, showing me rooms where people were being tortured. I saw some of the terrible things that they were doing to people, and some of these people never made it out alive. ‘That could be you,’ they told me. I know that people who convert from Islam to Christianity are treated in this way,” he said.

If a Christian convert from Islam wishes to make his new faith public, he will face persecution and rejection in Sudan. That is why many hesitate to declare their Christian faith and choose to believe in secret.

“We have to help the new believers to have a solid grounding in the Christian faith; otherwise, they are likely to renounce their Christian faith under pressure and return to Islam,” explained the group leader. “It is only through showing our Muslim brothers continued love and tolerance that we will win them over, however. Opposing them physically would only produce violence and hatred.”

Although the group leader said persecution against Christians in Khartoum has lessened in the last year or so, Islam is aggressively attempting to win converts and often promises good promotion prospects, education and help with business or farming in return for conversion.

“Some churches will not get involved with evangelizing Muslims and turn away converts,” another church leader told Compass. “It is sad, but you have to have courage to face the backlash and a heart’s desire to win Muslims to Christ. Otherwise you will be paralyzed with fear and give the excuse that you are keeping quiet in order to survive.”

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But does’nt matter i found it anyway

christian website

from a surprise surprise christian website:rotato: and this story is like from april 2001 man you are kind getting desperate to post a story from almost 3 years back :rolleyes:

good job ak,

another missionary propaganda exposed. These people know they can't convert normal Mus-lims, so they start this blackmailing campaign. They think we will give them free way to blackmail poor people by bribing them in to christianity. THey take advantage of people's poverty.

Once a Mus-lim always a mus-lim, we shall be true to our faith forever !!!

Are they any bounds in the quest to demonstrate Islam's superiority? Endless threads of ethereal conversions to Islam and now a thread on the evil Christian agenda. With forced Islamization and persecution of Christians in Sudan, it would be just as easy to find a link to expose the unfair treatment of Christians by Muslims. What's the point?

hey Seminole.... are un anglican? just wondering... i got loads of anglican friends.. one especially whose taught me a lot about life

this is one aspect of Islam that I cannot understand.

on the one hand you have "la ikraha fiddin"..there is no compulsion in the faith.

and then..proselyting the faith...converting people from other faiths into islam is one of the noblest deeds.

what moral basis have we then to give death penalties to those doing the same to us?

could a muslim brother/sister give an informed explanation as to why we do not let other religions convert/attempt to convert muslims when we expect them to let us do so?

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...converting people from other faiths into islam is one of the noblest deeds.

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Who said this? I mean where does it say this? Thanks.

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good job ak,

another missionary propaganda exposed. These people know they can't convert normal Mus-lims, so they start this blackmailing campaign. They think we will give them free way to blackmail poor people by bribing them in to christianity. THey take advantage of people's poverty.

Once a Mus-lim always a mus-lim, we shall be true to our faith forever !!!
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People do convert from Islam to other religions, i am certain it goes on every week, in virtually all countries around the world. What's the big deal ? They made that personal choice, they will deal with the ramifications of it between themselves and God, one day. And by the way, in many Muslim countries, i don't think it would be a very safe idea to make a public announcement that one has converted from Islam to X religion. That individual's life could potentially be in physical danger.

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And by the way, in many Muslim countries, i don't think it would be a very safe idea to make a public announcement that one has converted from Islam to X religion. That individual's life could potentially be in physical danger.
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Why you think that? is it something similar to honor killings which is tribal in nature and rooted in the local cultures?

Read this article

http://www.motherjones.com/magazine/MJ02/stealth.html

before you people come here to give us BS.

christian missionaries are cheaters who take advantage of people poverty. They dress up as mus-lims and try to act like mus-lims to try to convert ignorant muslim people. They claim to be teachers or aid workers and don’t tell their true intentions.

^ these "cheaters" are worse than the jews, may allah destroy them all so the ummah can finally live in peace

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**christian missionaries are cheaters who take advantage of people poverty. They dress up as mus-lims and try to act like mus-lims to try to convert ignorant muslim people. They claim to be teachers or aid workers and don't tell their true intentions.
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Well, whatever they are - if they are doing missionary work as a cover for proselytizing, then perhaps Muslim governments and NGOs should get their act together and provide more of the social services that poverty-stricken Muslims desperately need.

i don't have much sympathy or support, believe me, for missionaries. Trust me on this. i am just saying - they are, technically, free to do whatever they want and if someone converts from Islam to 'x' religion, that is her/his choice and s/he will have to embrace the consequences of that one day infront of God. Everyone has the ability to make her/his own decisions.

Maybe if the majority of Muslim governments weren't so corrupt and obsessed with building monumental skyscrapers in their name, and rather busy helping these poverty-stricken people, then the 'need' for the social work that missionaries undertake, would no longer exist. First we need to clear up our own backyard before criticizing others.

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Why you think that? is it something similar to honor killings which is tribal in nature and rooted in the local cultures?
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i am not certain why that is.

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Once a Mus-lim always a mus-lim, we shall be true to our faith forever !!!
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What's a Mus-lim?

You know, this thread actually reminds me of something that occurred several years ago.

i was residing in another Canadian city at that time where the Muslim population was relatively small; the community was, generally speaking, close-knit and supportive. There was one elderly Muslim lady who lived alone in a downtown residential complex, in a tall apartment building, on one of the upper floors. She had some sort of disease, i am sorry i don't remember precisely what it was, which had her confined to a wheelchair constantly (i think she was able to take a few steps on her own now and then but had to rest after a while); she had a problem with her spine as well which meant she was not able to sit up straight, let alone walk in a straight posture. i was young back then so i don't remember what precise disease she had.

Anyways, this all meant that she was shunned by the Muslim community. Apart from a few exceptional Muslims, no one really wanted anything to do with her. She wasn't invited to any of the Muslim functions. She had troubles doing her grocery shopping; she was unable to drive, the store was not walking distance from her apartment, the streets where she lived were hilly (Halifax is a very hilly city as anyone who has been there can testify), and not suitable for an elderly lady to travel through on a wheelchair.

Long and short of it is that a Mormon group eventually got in contact with her. They did her grocery shopping, her cleaning, her cooking - you name it, they did it. All for free. She converted from being a Muslim to being a Mormon.

My point is that, sometimes, the reason that a Muslim may convert is perhaps more deeper than at first glance. It's not always the 'evil' missionaries who are at fault. Maybe the reason for SOME peoples' conversion, as in the case of the elderly Muslim lady above, is more closer to home than most of us would admit.

By the way, she passed away a few years ago. Some of her family members visited her right before she passed away, urging her to say La ilaha ill-lallah and die with that on her lips, but she refused.