Why Musharraf Must Go

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and why does Altaf bhai from the MQM like the 'establishment' so much? Dont tell me the establishment consists of PPP or PML[N]...

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PP1 bro!

you are talking about an age old chicken and egg problem.

Just read your own statements one more time and hopefully you will understand. Here is how!

Democratic institutions are strengthened given stability in the country,

Any party (read PPP) that creates instability destroys democracy.

The very same instability brings in military "as a last resort".

It is easy to read few Western books and give lectures to us.

But a slight knowledge of Pakistani history clearly shows that politicians created instability and actively invited military.

Anti-Musharraf cries are clamoring for just one thing! That Kiyani takes over and kicks Musharraf out.

Guess what? That precisely flips your argument (quoted above) on its head.

Remember the saying, as you sow instability, so shall you reap army rule.

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He likes Mush, who is slowly trying to change the establishment from within- limited success so far, but it's worth a try before using the other more dangerous option. Don't ask for things that you will regret once they happen.

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If he's such a die-hard countryman, then why doesn't Altaf Hussain come back and lead his party to the elections. I'm sure people will love his return because supposedly the entire Karachi and Hyderabad blocs are MQM territory, must be love.

Oh i knowwwww...because if he comes back and Mush and Alliance doesn't win, then he could possibly be brought to justice for his crimes, is that why he's not coming back? Hmmm....now there's something to think about.

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Or because he could be killed by pro-mullah/establishment elements in the agencies. MQM wants stability for Pakistan. not hangama baazi.

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No he doesnt, he likes him because hes letting his criminals run the govt. The same Altaf used to like Nawaz Sharif alot, even in his second bid for PM. So where was Altafs sense of liberation from Punjab back in 1997 when he was TCing Nawaz Sharif and formign alliances with him?

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:hehe: Indeed, the last attempt was made in May 2007.

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Spock bro! Altaf is called bad man, very bad man. But he or his party worked very hard to change tactics. On Punjab front, they like many other successful parties in Pak have joined Punjab instead of confronting it. I think we should give him credit for that.

Altaf or his party however on many other fronts has still not shown the statesmanship. One such example was the killing of so many innocents during CJ's visit.

12th May attack on CJ was totally uncalled for. CJ was no threat at all. His later sacking has clearly shown that CJ was totally out of his league after his suspension. Poor CJ was like a little fly, and MQM ended up using a sledge hammer on him.

There are many other examples where MQM has "recently" done good things, but this party has a long way to go before it becomes truly "Muttahida".

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Please come out of the closet and admit you love the MQM...

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Ok, let me go through this... Democracy has to start someplace. The ground situtation today is very different from what it was in the 90's...

The 90's had many falws in the system, we can go through them in another thread...

Now, we have a independnt and vibrant media, we have an independant supreme Court (until Mush came along).

All we need is to get back into the democratic system... The System may or may not work, but so long as its prevented from exisisting it will never work...
The Democratic insititutions must be allowed to evolve, regrdless of the hiccups. The fact that institutions are not allowed to evolve is the cause of the problems.

Stabilty with Democracy is a long term goal... But at the very least it provides people the oppurtunity to elect their leaders fairly...

I know there are fears, but the fact of the matter is that without Democracy, Pakistan will always be in turmoil, there will never be unity and there will never be any justice.

Musharaf was doing a decent job initialy.. Had he not attacked the Judiciary or the Media, he might have been a partner on the path towards democracy, but isntead he became a liability.
No matter what happens, Pakistan CANNOT survive with dictatorship, it needs democratic insititutions...

All Im saying is, let the people decide their leaders, let the govt function, let the institutions work for themselves...
You gotta learn to swim some how... Lets have democratic govt, without the interferance of intelligence agencies, without the interferance of the army, with access to all the support and funding from international sources and let things evolve as they will... I doubt things will ever be as bad as they are under Mush.

Army rule is the source of instability, the Army never allowed democratic civilian institutions to evolve, and this is why we are in the sitution we are in...
Just let the democratic govt fucntion, thats all, and the stability will come eventually, so long as the Army knows its place.

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Bhai, you are ignoring the role of a govt... Even in the US, (I know they are developed country and all) the KKK was allowed to hold a rallly along side Peace orghaniszations...

The govt cant stop someone from holding a peacful rally... They do have resposibilty to ensure that security is tight and there is no incidence...
The govt failed to provide security, and so did the MQM govt in Karachi...

The MQM has no right to stop anyone from holding a rally.. And thats why they are considered terrorists and as soon as Mush is gone, they will be back to the gutter where they began.

That was probably the greatest achievment of Benazir, crushing this party of criminals.

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Thanks for showing the open nature of Altaf, who was willing to make peace with anyone for the betterment of Pakistan. It is you and your group that is the most racist and unwilling to accept a strong mohajir leader or reconcillaition with other ethnicities. Mohajirs are a lot more forgiving, Bengalis were not, and neither are the Sindhis, Balochs and Pashtuns. They will come after your corrupt establishment and destroy it from the outside if it can't be changed from the inside.

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It's better than loving mullahs...literally in some cases.

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This just shows what a lota he is! Bee Jamalo sey jaa kar poocho why he was cosying up to BB just a little while ago...

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Have you seen me crying and running to the admin if someone posts a picture of molllahs or making fun o fthem? Remember how you were crying when someone posted a picture of Altaf Hussain in a hitler pose? :hehe:

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He cares for the unity of Pakistan and is not a cry baby like your immi, who is still roaming around nanga on the streets of mumbai.

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PP. I always like your mentality and arguments, but yaara everything takes time. Certain elements are far more powerful then we can imagine. One example is "sari judicary ko kan sey paker kar bahir phank diya" what they got? They are part of history now. See media power is established in Mush rule they try to cofront him, what happened you know it. Punjabi establishment is a problem they exist and they are real. No one wants to loose power same goes with mush, army and Punjab. Society and ethical enviornment of Pak is so stretchy and uncontrolable that democracy was and will not flourish in Pakistan in any way. The only thing which until yet unite us is Islam, Army and turmoils in our history. What will be the solution? Create two or more provinces for more dividing of ethic groups, give them total automuny. Fed stictkly only control defense, currency and foriegn policy only.

Kehskhaan: I agree with you nearly all the points you raised, I hope as the mqm envolve more in national politics it will leave killings and destruction.

Spoky. My friend you only talk about altaf uncle in your every other post. May Allah have mercy on your soul.

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LOL Musharrafs danda made him open to BB lol just admit it, apart from being a fascist ethnic nazi don, he is a lota, and a despicable one!

P.S. Immi isnt in Mumbai so stop posting your lies, his dad was in critical condition in Lahore and he is ailing for him. Now I know you are taught to slander him and his personal life, but dont make fun of a man at a time when his father is in his last stages.

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lol your buddy here doesnt even believe they are killers...

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Spoky. My friend you only talk about altaf uncle in your every other post. May Allah have mercy on your soul.
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May Allah also grant you a little brain.

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He is not my buddy, just a fellow Pakistani. Anything new on Altaf Uncle ?