Re: Why marriages are not working in the new generation?!
why does she really need to find someone? why does she need to marry/remarry?
now you are contradicting yourself
You show another Mullah trait: picking things out of context/picking incomplete sentences
TO each his own. If someone wants to have sex without marriage, its their choice. If they want to go by Islam, that too is their choice. Comprernde?
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i am not here to convince anyone neither it is my intention
you have no basis to say on my convincing personality so you have no grounds to say i an bent on convincing you or anyone for that matter
but how and what i convince myself on is not anyones business
if you really want to have a decent argument - begin with answering my questions, and of you dont understand any of the words i write. ask me question.
lets be civilized.
You asked whether women can survive without men. I and Deeba1234 explained to you that yes, they can. So I've already answered your question.
Now, why don't you give a counter-argument or accept that you were wrong? :)
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just answer the question - if you wont - i say you are unable to
You show another Mullah trait: picking things out of context/picking incomplete sentences
TO each his own. If someone wants to have sex without marriage, its their choice. If they want to go by Islam, that too is their choice. Comprernde?
if they can survive/manage, then why marry in the first place and put up with jerk* husbands? why take chance even? why make the stupid mistake of re-marry again?
if you choose to answer these questions, rather than labelling me muallah and you need clarification, plz ask
You asked whether women can survive without men. I and Deeba1234 explained to you that yes, they can. So I've already answered your question.
Now, why don't you give a counter-argument or accept that you were wrong? :)
Re: Why marriages are not working in the new generation?!
just answer the question
*if they can survive, then why marry in the first place and put up with jerk husbands? why take chance even? why make the stupid mistake of re-marry again? ** if you choose to answer these questions, rather than labelling me muallah and you need clarification, plz ask
No one goes into a marriage expecting it to fail. Anyways, strong, independent women don't put up with jerk husbands. I think the Americans/Europeans got it right, don't take crap from anyone.
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Survive in what sense? In a materialistic way?
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i did not say ppl go into marriage expecting it to fail. i said why take chances?
stay in context and then answer - we are talking about pakistani desi women
again you justify by strong independent women - we are talking about ALL (pakistani) women - just because you will be able to response you cannot narrow down the sample set
would you take the chance if you have 50 50 odds?
No one goes into a marriage expecting it to fail. Anyways, strong, independent women don't put up with jerk husbands. I think the Americans/Europeans got it right, don't take crap from anyone.
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in every and all sense possible
Survive in what sense? In a materialistic way?
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as for american/european women you are completely wrong
they take crap from every man they meet to hook-up
the more men you meet the more crap you have to take
and american/european women meet alot of men in their lifetime hence more crap intake as opposed to pakistan women who have to deal with just one husband
No one goes into a marriage expecting it to fail. Anyways, strong, independent women don't put up with jerk husbands. I think the Americans/Europeans got it right, don't take crap from anyone.
if you like, i can tel you what crap-taking means by american/eu women
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Marriages are also on significant decline in Europe because of overall decline of religion in those countries, every now then you'd have editorial piece exploring the correlation. In South Asian community, a lot of marriages are made to work because of religious guidelines.
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i did not say ppl go into marriage expecting it to fail. i said why take chances?
stay in context and then answer - we are talking about pakistani desi women
again you justify by strong independent women - we are talking about ALL (pakistani) women - just because you will be able to response you cannot narrow down the sample set
would you take the chance if you have 50 50 odds?
ALL WOMEN can survive without husbands if they want to. Just because they decide to stay in crappy marriages for the sake of kids/family/honor or whatever nonsense doesn't mean that they can't "survive" without their husbands.
As an example, use the woman who is probably the closest to you: Your Mother. Just assume for a second that your father left her, would she be able to raise you and your siblings? I say she would have done just fine.
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as for american/european women you are completely wrong
they take crap from every man they meet to hook-up
the more men you meet the more crap you have to take
and american/european women meet alot of men in their lifetime hence more crap intake as opposed to pakistan women who have to deal with just one husband
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Your POV is both biased and senseless. Please elaborate.
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^ what a silly thing to say ShahreyarKhan? of course ALL pakistani women can survive without husbands. Do young children drop dead the second their parents pass away? Then how would we have orphans. Survival is a basic human instinct, so yes women can survive without husbands. It might be difficult, it might not be a good life, it might not be their preference but they will SURVIVE. They're hardly going to cease to exist because their's no husband in their life. The only thing people can't survive without is food and water.
Nobody prefers to be alone, I'm sure everyone wants to have someone in their life, but they don't want for that person to just be anyone. I'm not going to pick some random guy off the street just so I can have a husband. I want a husband who loves me, supports me, who I can talk to, who I get along with, etc. Personally, I'd rather be by myself than not have those things. There are some women who wouldn't , they'll take a loveless, dull, even abusive marriage because they don't want to be alone. However, in the previous generation survival for women who didn't have husbands was a lot harder. Of course they could still survive, they'd find some way or the other to live and breathe, but it would be a difficult life, women didn't used to be able to work, or go out in the world on their own, they were ostracised by society for being single; there were a lot of things that we take for granted now that made it extremely difficult but not impossible to survive without a husband. In that scenario if my option was to be dirt poor and on the street because nobody will hire me and everyone shuns me and I can't even go get food from the grocery store for fear of my safety then I'd probably choose the jackass husband. You cannot possible generalise for all Pakistani women, these things are based on situations and individuals. Human beings aren't factory made.
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dont take the example of my mother - this is personal dont even go there
again instead of answering my question you are coming up with something random everytime
as for my point of view - if you dont understand it, ask for explanation instead of staying biased/senselse
do you agree or not to the fact that the more personal basis - regardless of the motif - you have to put up with more crap?
if i only knew one person in life - i would have put up with his/her crap only
if i have two people i know in life - i would have put up with the crap of two people
if i have three people i know in life - i would have put up with the crap of three people
if i have 20 people i know in life - i would have put up with the crap of 20 people
get it?
ALL WOMEN can survive without husbands if they want to. Just because they decide to stay in crappy marriages for the sake of kids/family/honor or whatever nonsense doesn't mean that they can't "survive" without their husbands.
As an example, use the woman who is probably the closest to you: Your Mother. Just assume for a second that your father left her, would she be able to raise you and your siblings? I say she would have done just fine.
Your POV is both biased and senseless. Please elaborate.
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you first para is flawed at multiple levels so im not even gonna read your second one
basic human instint is what exactly? dont even talk about evol - there is a diff between survival instinct vs. survival mech.
orphans who survive get support - otherwise they wont be able to survive - whats gonna happen if you through an orphan in the jungle?
^ what a silly thing to say ShahreyarKhan? of course ALL pakistani women can survive without husbands. Do young children drop dead the second their parents pass away? Then how would we have orphans. Survival is a basic human instinct, so yes women can survive without husbands. It might be difficult, it might not be a good life, it might not be their preference but they will SURVIVE. They're hardly going to cease to exist because their's no husband in their life. The only thing people can't survive without is food and water.
Nobody prefers to be alone, I'm sure everyone wants to have someone in their life, but they don't want for that person to just be anyone. I'm not going to pick some random guy off the street just so I can have a husband. I want a husband who loves me, supports me, who I can talk to, who I get along with, etc. Personally, I'd rather be by myself than not have those things. There are some women who wouldn't , they'll take a loveless, dull, even abusive marriage because they don't want to be alone. However, in the previous generation survival for women who didn't have husbands was a lot harder. Of course they could still survive, they'd find some way or the other to live and breathe, but it would be a difficult life, women didn't used to be able to work, or go out in the world on their own, they were ostracised by society for being single; there were a lot of things that we take for granted now that made it extremely difficult but not impossible to survive without a husband. In that scenario if my option was to be dirt poor and on the street because nobody will hire me and everyone shuns me and I can't even go get food from the grocery store for fear of my safety then I'd probably choose the jackass husband. You cannot possible generalise for all Pakistani women, these things are based on situations and individuals. Human beings aren't factory made.
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you first para is flawed at multiple levels so im not even gonna read your second one
basic human instint is what exactly? dont even talk about evol - there is a diff between survival instinct vs. survival mech. ** orphans who survive get support - otherwise they wont be able to survive - whats gonna happen if you through an orphan in the jungle?**
Why do you always take things out of context? You know as well as I that she was merely giving an example. Also, the point is moot since the women being discussed here aren't 6 month old babies. Also, older orphans can and do "survive" even without support (not everyone is lucky enough to have a whole family taking care of him/her)
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yeh dude, way to take a thing out of context, instead of answering my main argument you chose to counter the one base example I gave at the start just as an idea.
Yes I'm well aware that if a 6 month old baby is left alone without anything on the streets, it will most likely die. I was obviously talking about slightly older kids. In fact my aunt's driver was 6 when he lost his parents and guess what, he somehow managed to survive on the streets on his own, moved all the way to North America and now is getting educated and working towards a better life. I don't really want to argue over this anways, clearly you're not even bothered to discuss anything else you wouldn't have fixated on a small example that was part of a much larger argument and answer and provided such a condescending reply.
and i never mentioned evolution, i mentioned a survival instint that humans have to live. The majority of humans will fight and do what they can to live, people who just sit down and decide they're not going to bother to eat food because its too hard are not that common. And because you seem to fixate on specifics, please note I said MAJORITY of human beings have a survival instict I did not specify ALL.
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This post makes no sense. 
If you’re gonna argue with someone at least explain your point clearly and don’t just brush off other people’s viewpoints as flawed without explaining why they are flawed. This seems to be a regular tactic of yours. *‘You don’t know what you just wrote so I’m not gonna bother discussing it.’ ‘You have no clue what you’re saying.’ ‘There’s so many things wrong with your post’. ‘Your post is flawed so I’m not gonna bother reading it’. *
If you’re gonna debate, then debate properly, otherwise just leave. You don’t add anything to this forum. Your posts are just eyesores.
But you won’t read my post will you? 
It’s too flawed, eh?
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i replied to him/her, why are you taking it personally?
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i replied to him/her, why are you taking it personally?
It's a debate, isn't it? We all here are part of it.
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I can’t believe I agree with you. 
women from every culture have evolved to take crap from men. luckily, it’s changing now.
You ask how desi women are going to manage without men? It’s not possible right now! remember WWII? If it weren’t for all the men needed for the war front, women wouldn’t have gotten a chance to prove themselves. they did and they proved they can not only manage but could do extremely well without men commanding them. I am sure the same can be done in Pakistan. Under the circumstances right now, it’s never going to happen. Desi women embrace abuse and compromise, i fail to understand why.
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Why can’t you guys talk without bringing in the examples of each others’ parents and kids? :no: