Why Islamic extremist sites should be cracked down on

FBI: Man Planned to Bomb Dallas Skyscraper

I work close to this building. What makes a Muslim want to do this? Haven’t some of our own learned from how counterproductive these actions are? Not only this is strictly forbidden in the Qu’ran, but also makes lives even more miserable for fellow Muslims.

Muslims in America are often crying about how the FBi is supposedly intolerant, yet do absolutely nothing about these extremists within our midst. It also was found that this kid had a penchant for browsing on extremist Islamic sites.

But what do I know? A young girl who converts out of Islam is more deserving of outrage (even advocating her murder) than a terrorist who wants to kill more innocents in the name of Islam, right? :rolleyes:

**ANOTHER **terrorist plot was also disrupted. In this case a white convert to Islam (he converted in prison, almost certainly through a Saudi Wahabbi imam) in Ohio planned to blow up a courthouse. He actually launched the detonator but fortunately the FBI got wind of him and when he hit the detonator nothing happened because the FBI put innocuous material instead of explosives in his vehicle.

So this makes it 3 terrorist plots disrupted within the last few days. You are right that this is a huge problem. It is a big problem for America and the civilized world but a particularly big problem for Muslims and other brown people in America. These thugs give all Muslims/brown people a bad name (yeah one of the 3 is white but Islam is associated with Arabs in the US).

I agree completely on the hypocrisy of many US Muslims. Look at the thread posted a few days ago about the terror raid in NYC. The reactions were mostly along the lines of “oh no they searched Muslims!” not “Thank God they stopped a potential act of murder/terrorism!”. ISNA, CAIR and co. complain about the FBI yet do nothing about the extremists who fuel the terrorism the FBI is seeking to prevent. Just look at the first recent terrorist plot. An imam was involved in covering it up and trying to help the would-be killer escape!

You cannot make some things up! I decided to go to the ISNA and CAIR websites to see if they issued any statements on this. Guess what the first news item on the ISNA website is?

"Muslim Advocates sue the FBI over mosque surveillance"

Gee, I wonder why the FBI is surveilling mosques?! (mosques are public places so there is no expectation of privacy. What the FBI is doing is both moral and legal)

What is the first press release? One aimed at ISNA’s obsession with Israel. Top top news brief? A complaint about discrimination, followed by another article on Israel. There is nothing about extremism or terrorism.

How about CAIR? Its first page is advertising a fundraiser it will have. There it will present a civil liberties award. :rotfl: Let’s get real. Since when were civil liberties a cherished ideal of Islamists? The only reason CAIR cares about them is because they are opposed to strong law enforcement efforts against terrorism.

US Muslims need to think. What will happen if the US suffers a series of terrorist attacks like, say, Pakistan? Or what if there is one major attack using WMD? Do you think anyone in the US will care about civil liberties then? It is not lost on people that while few Muslims are terrorists all of Al-Qaeda and co. are Muslim. If things get really bad I could see the US ejecting all Muslims from America.

The question is what can an avg person do in his personal capacity? Mosques in general have been talking against extremism in friday sermons. How does an individual crackdown an extremist site…assuming one even knows the url for some crackpot joint type of website aside from reporting it to authorities, who probably have more resources at their disposal to track those type of sites down anyways.

does everyone know everyone at a mosque or everyone in their community, do they know what someone is upto at all times, or who that person associates with?

so when you say people do absolutely nothing, what would you like them to do? All someone really should be doing is making sure that he does his best to keep his children, siblings and friends grounded in reality.

coming back to the topic of this thread, yes extremist sites should be banned, but that is something that authorities can do, not Uncle Afzal who goes to Brooklyn Masjid and works as a tax accountant for macys.

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Right X2, then how do you explain this:

Terror Probe Highlights Police-Muslim Tensions - cbs4denver.com

I explain it with one word that you missed.

key word being ‘some’ in that first sentence.
heck some people believe in space aliens and UFOs.
There are conspiracy theorists who are not muslim who claim attacks were by someone else.

So if some people believe that, what is an average person supposed to do in his or her personal capacity more than what I just noted.

do you want every muslim dude to take his personal days off and get a billboard and walk around downtown passing brochures against extremism? or start passing out

I am totally against apathy and have personally been behind one rather questionable imam being booted out of US, but its very easy for ppl to say boo hoo muslims dont do anything, what do they want muslims to do. for every muslim to become some vigilante, track every single website and every single muslim organisation? People have been very outspoken about quality of imams in every mosque I have been to in the last few years, imams sermons have been against extremism.

CAI, ISNA whoever, they may have their issues, their agendas, but if i was not bothered about them prior to 9/11 why should I now make any sort of effort to get to know those organisations or bring some change in them or track their movements? My tax dollars go to fund law enforcement, shut the groups down if they are doing hanky panky.

This whole thing of muslims dont do anything is getting old.

I dont get this 60% statistic, I dont know a single person from my family or among my friends who does not believe that the attackers were the 19 jackasses. regardless, even if someone does not believe it was their doing, what does it do? as long as this doubter is not supporting extremists, why does it matter what someone thinks in his or her own personal life.

I dont run into ppl like that so do i need to go locate them and convince them otherwise? like take it on as some sort of mission, a side job…a mild mannered businessman by day, an extremist fighting vigilante by night and weekends. as I have noted, mosques that I have been to seem to be doing a good job of preaching the right thing. I surely dont expect them to have pop quizzes on someone’s political views and have a masjid version of the breakfast club for naughty muslims

The 60% figure is in the ballpark from what I have seen...That certainly is not just "some."

Mosques/Muslim organizations in the US have not been aggressive against the radical Islamist ideologies. Look at the emphasis they put on criticizing Israel. Why can't they do the same for jihadists? The last time I checked Israel isn't plotting to blow up skyscrapers in Dallas or courthouses in Ohio. If anything, Muslim organizations have hindered the anti-terror effort by suddenly becoming civil libertarians. Muslims did not care about civil liberties before the FBI began fighting terror and look at Muslim countries today. Name one which has liberal civil liberties...

What has happened since 9/11 is Muslim organizations and leaders have changed their rhetoric. Some of them, such as ISNA in its magazine, do condemn terror and murder. Some play a double game. Notice that whenever a CAIR spokesman is on television he will say "I condemn all forms of terrorism." Why can't he bring himself to say "I condemn Al-Qaeda."? He is playing to some of his base. He knows many of them sympathize with Al-Qaeda and he can say "I condemn all forms of terrorism" because he wants to mislead non-Muslims and because he can wink and nod at his base, who do not consider Al-Qaeda's actions to be a form of terrorism.

Others, while condemning terrorism, remain hostile to the culture and society they or their parents voluntarily immigrated to. Hamza Yusuf is considered the most influential imam in the US. Read between the lines. He does condemn terrorism in serious terms, not the false CAIR Ibrahim Cooper way. However, he loves to take subtle shots at the US and holds nutty views about US culture. With respect to the former, in one speech (available on Youtube) he subtly blamed the US for Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait (ignoring that Saddam was given an opportunity to prevent the Gulf War by withdrawing his troops from Kuwait, but of course Islamists never mention that crucial fact), blamed the US (and the UK, France, and Russia) for Saudi Arabia's defense budget (as if the US forces Saudi Arabia to buy weapons and as if Saudi Arabia does not have legitimate fears of Iraq and Iran), and took an obligatory shot at US support for Israel. Regarding the culture and society, I remember him condemning G rated movies based on a nutty conspiracy theory only a tiny percentage of fundamentalist Christians believe. He legitimately criticized some things in the US, such as the problem of tens of millions of uninsured people, but implied that this was because of an inferior moral system to Islam, as if Islamic societies place a big emphasis on social welfare (the best welfare states are very secular Christian Scandinavian countries). Last but not least he claimed "America needs Islam." That is respectful? This is what passes for a "moderate" American imam? Saying "America needs Islam" is based on a condescending view of America, a colonial attitude that holds the existing society is inferior and "needs" to be changed by foreign forces to civilize it. And this is just a case study of one speech from one major imam!

There are legitimate moderate--and even a few liberal--Muslims but the problem is they are not ones who get involved in mosque affairs or organizations like ISNA. They may go to the mosque now and then but they won't run for treasurer of a mosque and help shape it.

I do agree that the average Muslim can do nothing to stop terrorism because terrorists are underground. It is not as if Al-Qaeda operatives walk into mosques with Al-Qaeda insignias on their thobes. What the average Muslim can do, though, is fight the ideology of radical Islamism. There are many ways to do this. For one you can do it online at places such as this. You can do it at the mosque, at doctor X's dinner party, on EID at family gatherings. Let's be real here. Every Muslim family (meaning extended family, not just parents and siblings) has at least a few Islamists in it. Their ideology must be fought with truth and reason. Sadly, many non-Islamist Muslims are silent when their cousin the Islamist begins ranting about the utopia Islamism allegedly would lead to.

Good...'Nuff said..and thats the point

I have no disagreement, mosques can do more, sure..does not mean they are not doing anything. The statement people make of not doing 'enough' is dodgy because no one is an expert to know what is 'enough'

as far as CAir or ISNA, they are self declared representatives, I dont recall voting for them, appointing them or agreeing to them be my representatives. just like my homeboy Brad did not ask pat robertson and 700 club to speak out for christians.

rest of what countries had what laws and what groups were what then, and now..that is whole diff topic, and I would like to stay on the topic here.

The topic started that extremist websites should be shut down, yes they should be, charities supporting militants need to be shutdown. someone needs to do their job. I fully expect a crackdown on militant sites, as well as sites like youtube and what nots that have been used to host militant propoganda..fine them, shut them down.

btw, on this subject i think we are saying the same thing.

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Islamic Awakening Forums for Muslims and non-Muslims to discuss life, religion, ideology, culture, politics and more… , there is usually a large amount of Pakistanis posting on sites like that. Why is it that Pakistanis are more prone to extremism than other groups???

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This is why there are phone tappings, electronic surveillance and mosque spies.

What a stupid lawsuit. You need spies in every mosque. Clearly, muslim mosque management is not able to keep out extremists.

We can all do our part by watching what goes on in our own backyard and making sure our children don't fall into this stuff. But beyond that, its really hard to know what other people are doing.

And they don't want to, it seems. Muslims honestly would prefer to act like victims than to acknowledge the faults within our own community. Anyone who dares to criticize Muslims while being a Muslim is automatically labelled a "munafiq".

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acknowledging faults within our own community are fine and acknowledging them and acting against them is fine..if and when you see them, if you dont, you cant become some sort of desi Kwai Chang Caine going to other neighbourhoods, cities and states..or countries.

as I said..in an average person's life there is no time, no esposure to do more than making sure they are a positive influence on friends and family. That is enough. Now if there are people who want to do more, have an ability to, have the time for and are in a place where there is noted need, then by all means.

Law enforcement is fine, surveillance in fine, no arguments with that, it may save precious lives. In doing so enforcers need to abide by the law of the land, or change the law of the land through proper channels. No argument with that either.

There are thousand of Muslims, Arabic speaking, Urdu, Persian/Dari, Punjabi and Pushton speaking working for FBI and secret service. These so call Extremist website are probably run by FBI. They are already supporting Qadiani and their version of Islam, and now training IMAMs to talk against Jihad and Palestinian & Israeli conflict.

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huh?

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Why Islamic AND Hindu AND Christian AND Jewish AND AND other extremist sites should be cracked down on ........................!!!

That is what u should be wondering about ;)

Else no one will take you serious mate.

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so he focused on one aspect of that relating it specifically to some terrorist plot. We can discuss that or we can go on tangents and start winking here and there.

all extremist sites should be shut down, no issue with that. There has to be some agreement on what is considered freedom of speech and what is considered hatespeech, criminal activity etc.

I skimmed through the site and didn’t come across anything objectionable. I found it to be quite similar to this site except their discussions were more connected with religion. Any of the sections has this big header saying that both Muslims and non-Muslims discuss things there.

Oh really? Praising al-Qaeda, referring to Shi’ites as a major threat, condemning the West, supporting the brutality of the Taliban, and advocating terrorism does not seem objectionable to you? :rolleyes:

Since I am Muslim, it is personal and imperative for myself to be focused more on Islamic extremist sites, but hey, if you think it's okay for Islamic extremists to advocate threats against those who are not Muslim, then you are hopeless.

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Well i think u like to make ur own conclusions and u want to think for me
then go ahead
i am waiting ur next thread that is against islam