you never explain how Bush's support operationally translates to him recieving the Army's support. Are you saying that the army as an institution looks to orders from Amreeka? so at one point Kiani thought okay so now i'll ask him to vacate the army house, and some message came to him from Bush and he said okay i'll wait?
Ravage, to me the dictator never left the army. When you operate your puppets and cling the political opponents using things like the NRO and blackmail, there is no difference. Kiani, though hes trying his best to keep out of politics, is Musharrafs man. Why do you think they are sending delegations to somehow get Nawaz to shutup about the judges issue? What threat is Iftikhar to the west?
Now you can go on and on to deny this, I dont give a crap, point remains, Musharraf is Bush's puppet. EOS
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Exactly, thus the point of myself and others. The army supports him for reasons other than Bush and it has to do with Pakistani establishment's internal dynamics rather than any external conspiracy. American support is ofcourse expedient and helps considerably, but if the Army wanted Musharraf out of the Army house, there is nothing a lame duck american president could do about it, and the Americans would live with it (and foster a relationship with whoever succeeded him, whether it be Great Zardari or Great Kiani)
I think if the Army turns its back on one of their own they would've shown civilian forces a way to force one of their's out when they take over. And that rankles with the superiority syndrome nature of our fauj.
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whats with the reverance?
In a chain of command the layer below enables the layer above. This reverence for our fighting boys are amazing and noble is quite dispensable.
The army as an institution has overtaken the country and its economy. The benefits, though disproportionately towards the top brass, are enjoyed by the institution as well.
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^ True not to mention that the lavishness has seeped into the lower officer class as well unlike in the past. The pakistani army officer corp is the biggest enemy of the army itself with disasters like patton nagar ...
You are forgetting who actually keeps this dictator in power. Once that president leaves, so does his little puppet.
Spock bhaijan. This must be very disappointing for the electorate. Afteral,l they voted for Pakistani political parties to oust President Musharaf. Didn't they?
Does this mean the Pakistani political parties have no power and have to wait for the Great President of the Great USA to help oust Great President Musharaf. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :)
Spock bhaijan. This must be very disappointing for the electorate. Afteral,l they voted for Pakistani political parties to oust President Musharaf. Didn't they?
Does this mean the Pakistani political parties have no power and have to wait for the Great President of the Great USA to help oust Great President Musharaf. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :)
Great Aalsi, great zardari is pushing for the removal of 58-2B what will happen to the second khaal of Musharraf then?
If they don't consider him their leader, why don't they enforce their own regulations? Gen (retrd) Mirza Aslam Beg stated that Army House can only be occupied by a former army chief for 2 months after leaving his role according to regulation. That's a special case as it is an Official Residence; even normal Army accomodation can only be occupied by a retired officer for 6 months after leaving the military. If the Pakistani Army wanted to move out Musharraf, they could enforce their own rules.
The army is choosing to give Musharraf greater respect than their own official leader; once can only presume they hold Musharraf as their continued true leader and Kayani as a publically acceptable figurehead.
The fact that Kayani did not allow Mush to rig the elections (as much as he would have loved to) by ordering ISI and other army personnel to stay clear of the electoral/political process shows that he is also his own man.
We all know about Mush's 'chikkut' nature. A more pertinent Q to ask would be why has Kayani so far chosen to remain silent on the subject? Is this really simply out of deference for Mush or does he not care much about where he resides.
The fact that Kayani did not allow Mush to rig the elections (as much as he would have loved to) by ordering ISI and other army personnel to stay clear of the electoral/political process shows that he is also his own man.
We all know about Mush's 'chikkut' nature. A more pertinent Q to ask would be why has Kayani so far chosen to remain silent on the subject? Is this really simply out of deference for Mush or does he not care much about where he resides.
It has much more of a symbolic import than simply a matter of residence GA.
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Guys, let's look at some basis for American thinking before oversimplifying.
If the whitehouse goes to dems, the dems are opposed to longterm or escalation of Iraq. They are NOT opposed to war on terror which will come back to mean the hunt in Pakistan and Pak-Afghanistam border.
As they exit slowly out of Iraq, Pakistan will more and more become core of attention as a base to covertly engage Iran.
If McCain wins is when they really have an option of whether pushing Iran from eat or west. Meaning Pakistan is less important to Repubs.
For a time I used to think they needed Pakistan to closewatch China but I think they're doing that from India and elsewhere.
So my conclusion is regardless of who wins, Mush becomes irrelevant unless zrdari and sharieff screw up so bad that Kiyani agrees to perform his leader's coup again. Pakistan becomes less relevant in either case.
Until and uless economy drives policy, religion, political and ethnic enmity continue to destroy Pakistan.
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^ bhai jaan thank you for analysis, but the question is not why "dictator" is still in place (as president) rather why is he occupying "Army House" (usually occupied by COAS) when he is a COAS no more.
^ bhai jaan thank you for analysis, but the question is not why "dictator" is still in place (as president) rather why is he occupying "Army House" (usually occupied by COAS) when he is a COAS no more.
Reason is simple, army does not want repeat of Nawaz situation where after dismissing Karamat, he thought he could do anything he wanted. This is there way of showing respect to Musharraf despite what the civilian govnt may think or do. Why do you think Zardari and co. keep talking about stability and not rocking the boat by trying to go head to head against Mush? They know on whose side Kayani and generals will be when the lines are drawn.
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Mush had a really bad day today. First CJ is active again after being detained for several months. Ex Military men passed resolution and demanded Mush to resign and parliment to impeach the dictator.
Check out this…Mush and Shortcut Aziz’s kartoot revealed by Mush’s own man.
So moron here knew more than the Steel Mills Administrator the actual worth of the plant and its properties. Pathetic losers.
okay. BTW, likes of Zardari don’t give a darn about “stability” stuff, all they care about is cover of their crimes thats enough to keep him “stable” 